Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube

English translation:

in their preference for YouTube

Added to glossary by David Howard
Mar 2, 2020 20:17
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French term

quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube

French to English Marketing Media / Multimedia Generation Z
Ils sont d’ailleurs 25% à avoir eu un smartphone avant leurs 10 ans et passent en moyenne 5 heures par jour sur leur mobile, dont 4 heures sur leurs applications mobiles favorites avec en tête Instagram, Youtube et Snapchat. Ils utilisent en moyenne 5 plateformes sociales par jour ! Cette génération donne toute-puissance aux influenceurs versus les blogueurs quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram ou Tik Tok.

Hi all,

First of all, please note that I have posted the same question on Wordreference: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/plébisciter-youtube....

In this text about Gen Z, I'm a little stumped by the last sentence "...plébisciter Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram ou Tik Tok." What do they mean exactly? French colleagues of mine are also struggling to make sense of it.

Thanks in advance,
David

Discussion

ph-b (X) Mar 4, 2020:
"...as the sentence is written, there is no apparent connection between the two parts."
"It's a strange use of plébisciter to be sure, and the whole sentence is clumsy..."

Sorry to repeat myself, but the sentence is fine (see B D’s explanation below) and plébisciter is used appropriately here. See polyglot’s note above and and my ref. above to the extended meaning of the verb according to CNRTL, Le Grand Robert, R&C, etc.: "opinion massively in favour of" (CNTRL, etc.) + R&C: "tremendous/overwhelming", etc.

What the sentence says is that for Generation Z to vote massively/overwhelmingly for either… or… or…, influencers, not bloggers, (will) matter.
philgoddard Mar 4, 2020:
Suggestion for the whole sentence In its preference for YouTube [etc], this generation has rendered social media influencers infinitely more powerful than bloggers.
Daryo Mar 4, 2020:
@David Howard as you have the whole of the ST, could you confirm whether the gist of whole text is about

--- promoting Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram & Tik Tok

or

--- using Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram & Tik Tok (or bloggers or whatever/whoever else) to promote/sell some products?

If the context is "Marketing - Media / Multimedia / Generation Z" there must be ultimately some selling intended ...
Daryo Mar 3, 2020:
@polyglot45
"plébisciter is also used more conversationally to mean what people want. New product X was "plebiscité" by the public. The public was gung-ho to get its hands on the new product.

you are on the right track

"plébisciter" = "The public was gung-ho to get its hands on the new product"

That is exactly the name of this game!

Says on top "Marketing - Media / Multimedia / Generation Z" IOW the ST is about selling to Generation Z - marketeers are looking to sell to Gen Z. Anyone (not working for Youtube) who would suggest to spend the marketing budget on "influencers" so that Youtube users become more obsessed with Youtube (or with some other social network) instead of paying said influencers to push on Youtube the products you want to sell wouldn't last very long (few microseconds, my guess)...
Thomas T. Frost Mar 3, 2020:
Blog/vlog A vlog is video-based, whereas a blog is text-based. The source text refers to bloggers, not vloggers. But the sentence is so unclear that we don't really know what exactly the writer meant, so maybe the difference doesn't matter.
B D Finch Mar 3, 2020:
@Thomas For YouTube, they would be vloggers; however I think that's close enough to bloggers as makes no difference.
Thomas T. Frost Mar 3, 2020:
Bloggers – at video and image sites? B D Finch said, 'what they choose once they are on any one of those platforms (i.e. choosing influencers, rather than bloggers)'. How exactly would they choose bloggers on video and image platforms? Blogs are text. Since they prefer YouTube and other video/image sites, they don't see any text or blogs. Hence, influencers get the attention.
B D Finch Mar 3, 2020:
@ph-b "Overwhelming support" is one way of putting it. However, it's not their support for any of those platforms, but rather what they choose once they are on any one of those platforms (i.e. choosing influencers, rather than bloggers).
ph-b (X) Mar 3, 2020:
B D, I agree; there's an extended meaning: Opinion de fait, clairement et nettement formulée par une grande proportion d'individus d'un groupe donné (adhérents, lecteurs, consommateurs), marquant leur adhésion à quelqu'un, leur préférence pour quelqu'un ou pour quelque chose (CNRTL). Sthing like "overwhelming support" for one of the platforms ?
B D Finch Mar 3, 2020:
@ph-b "Plébisciter" isn't only about choosing or electing, it is about the way that electing is done, i.e. by polling the entire eligible population. So, it's clearly used metaphorically here.
polyglot45 Mar 3, 2020:
plébisciter is also used more conversationally to mean what people want. New product X was "plebiscité" by the public. The public was gung-ho to get its hands on the new product
ph-b (X) Mar 3, 2020:
plébisciter = choose, elect, put first (here) The sentence is fine as it is. Leaving aside what the verb means in a constitutional or international law context, what the sentence is saying is that if that generation has to choose one of these platforms, what influencers, not bloggers, do there will determine its choice
Daryo Mar 3, 2020:
@philgoddard "influencers" are a key element of the sentence/paragraph where you find "quand il s’agit de plébisciter .." ergo it's part of (the most immediate) context ergo it's implicitly and unavoidably a part of the question as whatever answer you propose ***MUST*** fit with what "influencers" are and how they operate. Or you think that can just ignore the rest of the same sentence, and look at one fragment in splendid isolation?
Daryo Mar 3, 2020:
A bit of reality check ... (1) "plébisciter" is a perfectly appropriate term
(2) have you got ANY real-life understanding of what is an "influencer"?

They DO NOT use their "influence" to make other users of Youtube like / become fans of Youtube, they use their own presence on Youtube as a tool to exercise their "influence" over other "ordinary" Youtube users for the benefit of those paying the influencers (and that's not Youtube)

Youtube (or any other social network) is only a MEAN, not the AIM.

It's NOT about

"pushing Youtube users to like/support/endorse Youtube"

it's about

"using Youtube as a mean to make other Youtube users like/support/endorse whatever they are peddling of behalf of their sponsors/paymasters"

try a search on "influencer asking for free hotel stay".
abe(L)solano Mar 2, 2020:
Maybe... it's bad written, and they meant "Publiciter", not "plébisciter" (?),
or they were thinking in "Plébsiciter" as "support/endorse"(the sites)

Proposed translations

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in their preference for YouTube

Or you could even use a little poetic licence and say "in their obsession with".
The last example in my reference uses the word in a similar context.
http://en.pons.com/us/translate/french-english/plébisciter

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Note added at 30 mins (2020-03-02 20:48:06 GMT)
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Or you could say "by choosing".
Peer comment(s):

neutral Daryo : could you explain the connection between "un plébiscite" and "being obsessed (with whatever)" ??? It's an overdose of poetic licence for me, can't see any links ... // another small fly in the ointment: how would "influencers" fit in this picture???
7 mins
I suggested three translations. If you think you can do better, feel free. And "influencers" is not part of the question.
agree Verginia Ophof : giving preference to
39 mins
agree ph-b (X) : overwhelming preference for... It's the idea that there is a vast majority of them in favour of.../Agree with B D as well, YouTube OK if other platforms mentioned as well.
1 hr
Yes, that's a good idea.
agree SafeTex : I too read it this way, that youngster favour certain platforms
3 hrs
neutral B D Finch : The preference is for influencers over bloggers, not for YouTube over the other platforms.// So, rather than "in their preference for YouTube", it's "in their (overwhelming) preference when logged on to YouTube, Snapchat, Instagram or Tik Tok".
14 hrs
David only included YouTube in his question header because there was no point listing them all.//Exactly.
agree GILLES MEUNIER : fluide
17 hrs
agree James A. Walsh
18 hrs
agree Libby Cohen : This is the grammatically most direct and faithful rendering of that phrase.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Phil! The client also had a preference for your suggestion."
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20 mins

when it comes to endorsing Youtube

Peer comment(s):

disagree Daryo : it's the other way round
6 mins
neutral philgoddard : It's not the other way round (YouTube endorsing them?), but I don't think this is the right choice of word.
8 mins
neutral SafeTex : Shame about the disagree as I think Daryo may have well got it the wroing way round.
3 hrs
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1 hr

because they spend so much time on YouTube

I'm guessing here, because as the sentence is written, there is no apparent connection between the two parts. The sentence lacks meaning. If we think about it, the reason those influencers become so, well, influential is that Gen Z spend so much time on platforms with influencers, compared to platforms with blogs. In any case, this is not what the sentence says in a literal sense.
Peer comment(s):

agree Wolf Draeger : I think this is the right idea (spending all their time on).
1 hr
Thanks.
disagree Daryo : there IS a connection - and there IS a meaning - rather obvious if you look at it according to the logic of influencers / spin-doctors / marketeers /master BS(/hot air) producers (scratch that one, not really nice, never mind it's true ...)
1 hr
agree philgoddard : Just to offset Daryo's ten millionth disagree. This is a perfectly good answer
8 hrs
Thanks.
disagree B D Finch : YouTube isn't picked out in the source text, the sentence relates to all the platforms listed.
13 hrs
The Asker only listed YouTube in the term to translate, probably for simplicity, as most would understand that it applies to all the platforms listed.
agree James A. Walsh
17 hrs
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as [...] have become hugely popular

It's a strange use of plébisciter to be sure, and the whole sentence is clumsy, but one meaning that makes sense to me in the context is that these social media have become wildly popular with youngsters at the expense of blogging and other platforms.

In the beginning of the Web, forums were cool but noncommercial (they still are among oldies or specific communities like this one). When blogging came along, some people earned a (meagre to good) living by punting this or that company (many still do this). But now the real action is on YouTube and Instagram where top influencers (there's another word along with selfie that I hope does not survive the apocalypse) do very well for themselves and a tiny few are (multi)millionaires.

So I think the idea behind plébisciter here is that kids are voting with their fingers and eyeballs, so to speak, and are totally immersed in these social media.
Example sentence:

For this generation influencers are king as YouTube, Snapchat, Instagram and Tik Tok have become hugely popular and left blogs in the dust.

Influencers rule as YouTube, Snapchat, Instagram and Tik Tok have become hugely popular with this generation and left blogging in the dust.

Peer comment(s):

neutral Daryo : "kids are voting with their fingers and eyeballs", YES but that's **only a fraction** of the whole picture painted by this text
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1 hr

when it comes to getting [mass] approval from Youtube, .... audiences (/users)

or if you want to put less kindly, but more literally:

"when it comes to getting approval from Youtube, .... plebeians (/crowds /users ....)

HERE "Youtube" is a shorthand for "Youtube users", same as very often "The Internet" is used to mean "PEOPLE using the Internet", instead of the literal meaning for "The Internet" = a huge pile of networked HARDWARE and SOFTWARE.

step one: what is a most literal plébiscite:

Plébiscite

Un plébiscite (du latin plebiscitum — de plebs, « plèbe, peuple », et scitum, « décision, décret ») est une consultation sur le désir d'une population à propos d'une importante décision, comme celle de relever d'un État ou d'un autre. Au sens latin du terme, le plébiscite est conçu comme un instrument véritablement démocratique, et non comme celui du césarisme1.
....
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plébiscite

IOW it's a vote by the whole population to approve or not some proposal.

Step two: what it could mean in this ST

so the verb "plébisciter" would mean seeking the mass approval for some idea / proposition [soumettre une proposition au plébiscite (=au vote direct par l'ensemble de la population] OR someone getting massive support (se faire plébisciter), depending on the sentence.

What makes sense in in this ST is:

when it comes to getting [mass] approval from Youtube, .... audiences (/users)

I'll try to avoid "la preuve par l'absurde" as being too easy.

"Ils utilisent en moyenne 5 plateformes sociales par jour ! Cette génération donne toute-puissance aux influenceurs versus les blogueurs quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram ou Tik Tok.

Cette génération donne toute-puissance aux influenceurs
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"les influenceurs" are those who have an influence on social media users - are in position to make social media users change their mind about whatever is the object of the "influence" they are exercising - some product, some ideas, whatever.

IOW "les influenceurs" make them symbolically "vote for" whatever "les influenceurs" are peddling - and because this category of users is exposed 4 hours per day to "influencers", it gives them (the influencers, not these users) "une toute-puissance" (overwhelming power over users?)

As Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram ou Tik Tok. have massive user bases, if influencers are successful, it's potentially a "massive vote / vote by the masses" (see definition of "plébiscite" ...)

101% sure of the meaning, and find it rather obvious. Basics of the trade for any spin-doctor, BTW ...









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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-03-02 23:26:29 GMT)
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... if influencers are successful, it's potentially a "massive vote / vote by the masses" for whatever they are pushing that they can achieve (see now the definition of "plébiscite" ...)

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Note added at 4 hrs (2020-03-03 01:12:12 GMT)
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another way of dissecting this sentence:

Cette génération donne toute-puissance aux influenceurs versus les blogueurs quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram ou Tik Tok.
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if you want to obtain a massive YES vote(/approval /support) [from the Generation Z] through their favorite social networks (Youtube etc) for whatever products or ideas you are pushing, don't bother with bloggers, for this target audience the real impact can be achieved through "influencers" operating on these social networks, as this generation Z has allowed these "influencers" to have huge influence on them.
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : I'm glad you find your answer "rather obvious". I thought this was a tricky question.
12 mins
at the risk of repeating myself: "Basics of the trade for any spin-doctor" // when you have to deal with them at close range - getting into their logic makes life easier ... understanding what you are interpreting is a MUST (and helps in the long term)
disagree GILLES MEUNIER : C'est une formule assez lourde...
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French term (edited): quand il s’agit de plébisciter Youtube ...

when you take a straw poll of ...

You've parsed it wrongly. This is saying that if one takes a straw poll (or possibly even a real poll) of Youtube, Snapchat, Instagram or Tik Tok users, it will show that influencers have more followers than bloggers.

Peer comment(s):

neutral ph-b (X) : Agree with the explanation, but does "(straw) poll" really translate plébiscite(r)?/Quite, but the extended meaning of plébiscite(r) is "opinion massively in favour of" (CNTRL, etc.) + R&C: "tremendous/overwhelming", etc.
1 hr
I think it could; there wouldn't be a real plebiscite.
neutral Daryo : this makes FAR MORE sense that the idea that "plébiscite(r)" = "obsessed with Youtube", but would fit only in a "neutral" context, not really when it's about "Marketing" (= i.e. HERE forms of advertising in the digital age)
12 hrs
On the contrary, it's a guide to advertisers about the location of clickbait .
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+1
20 hrs

by overwhelmingly favoring/opting for (YouTube, ...)

My suggestion.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Daryo : that makes no sense whatsoever if you look at the whole sentence
6 hrs
agree ph-b (X) : ... overwhelmingly favoring/opting for... or... or...
14 hrs
thanks
agree philgoddard : Just agreeing with this because Daryo disagreed with it.
7 days
thanks
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