Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Herrscher ohne Reich
English translation:
rulers without a realm // rulers without realm
Added to glossary by
Helen Shiner
Mar 2, 2009 10:40
15 yrs ago
German term
Herrscher ohne Reich
German to English
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History
"Herrscher ohne Reich" bezieht sich auf verschiedene Persönlichkeiten, die ihre Macht aus meist politischen Gründen eingebüßt haben, z.B. Maharadschas in Indien, Könige im Exil.
Ist "rulers without an empire" richtig? Gibt es bessere Vorschläge?
Ist "rulers without an empire" richtig? Gibt es bessere Vorschläge?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +12 | rulers without realm |
Helen Shiner
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| 3 +4 | king without kingdom |
erika rubinstein
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| 4 | Rulers without a kingdom |
Rosalind Haigh
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| 3 | rulers without (a) mandate |
casper (X)
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Change log
Mar 3, 2009 12:24: Helen Shiner changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/7213">Sandra Pontow's</a> old entry - "Herrscher ohne Reich"" to ""rulers without a realm""
Proposed translations
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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105
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rulers without realm
Is not so specific and may therefore be more useful in your case.
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-03-03 12:25:22 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, Sandra - I've also added my suggestion to the glossary.
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-03-03 12:25:22 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, Sandra - I've also added my suggestion to the glossary.
Peer comment(s):
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Ulrike Kraemer
: rulers without a realm // @Brigitte: Google ist (noch) nicht das Maß aller Dinge ...
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Thanks, LittleBalu - it is more poetic without the 'a', but both are right.
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franglish
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Thanks, franglish
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Jutta Wappel
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Thanks, Jutta
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Edith Kelly
: Dem kann ich auch voll zustimmen, aber without a realm
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Thanks, EdithK
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BrigitteHilgner
: But hardly any google hits - I've checked.
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In this case, I don't think it matters - what does, is clarity.
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Inge Meinzer
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Thanks, Inge
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Nandini Vivek
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Thanks, Nandini
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hazmatgerman (X)
: eigentlich schön, weil realm eher als kingdom vielfältig interpretiert werden kann. Wenns nur um die Subjekte ginge, hätte ich noch "ruler without ruled" falls das English genug klingt. Gruß.
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Danke, hazmatgerman: das wäre 'rulers without subjects'! Gruß auch an Süddeutschland!
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Dr.G.MD (X)
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Thanks, Dr.G.MD
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Steve Thomasson
: Agreed - I like the alliteration as a style matter and as Hazmat says, it avoids naming a type of ruler by name (monarch / parliament / dictator) even if the context itself may be less inclined to see a specific type.
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Thanks,Steve - I think the alliteration is a plus point, too.
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Rebecca Garber
: I like the alliteration, and it's vague enough to fit the criteria.
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Thanks, Rebecca
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jccantrell
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Thanks, jccantrell
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milinad
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Thanks, milinad
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Ich habe mich für diesen Vorschlag entschieden. Herzlichen Dank!"
+4
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erika rubinstein
Native in German
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, German
Works in: English to Russian, German to Russian, Russian to German, and 13 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
king without kingdom
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Note added at 19 Min. (2009-03-02 11:00:23 GMT)
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König kann man hier als Synonym für Herrscher sehen.
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Note added at 19 Min. (2009-03-02 11:00:23 GMT)
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König kann man hier als Synonym für Herrscher sehen.
Note from asker:
| Es sind nicht unbedingt Könige, die Übersetzung müsste den genauen Titel offen lassen. |
Peer comment(s):
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caro.tulu
: This was what I originally thought, too, but realized that some of the people aren't technically kings..
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s.o.
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BrigitteHilgner
: Hätte ich spontan nicht gedacht - aber das ist der in diesem Sinn am häufigsten verwendete Ausdruck.
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danke
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Manuela Junghans
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danke
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Jim Tucker (X)
: 1) probably plural here, and 2) needs to be "A kingdom" or "kingdoms"
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Edith Kelly
: ist auch im übertragenen Sinne so zu verstehen, auch wenn es sich nicht direkt um einen König handelt, aber: A king without a kingdom
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danke
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RegineMac
: Wuerde mit Edith uebereinstimmen. Muss nicht unbedingt ein King in diesem Sinne sein.
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danke
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Rosalind Haigh
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Fluent, accurate translation DE/FR > EN
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Rulers without a kingdom
is a literal translation but open enough to convey the sense of the original too
Peer comment(s):
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Jim Tucker (X)
: maybe; also consider "realm" for something more universal
14 mins
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5 hrs
rulers without (a) mandate
...may work, if the context is not limited to "Maharadschas in Indien, Könige im Exil".
mandate:
# An authoritative command or instruction.
# A command or an authorization given by a political electorate to its representative.
Definition: authority, order
Mandate (politics), the power granted by an electorate
http://www.answers.com/mandate
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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-03-02 17:04:53 GMT)
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I know that maharajas and kings are not normally elected by their subjects, but have posted this suggestion because the asker has clarified in her note to erika rubinstein that "es sind nicht unbedingt Könige..." Also, the asker states that "Herrscher ohne Reich" bezieht sich auf verschiedene Persönlichkeiten..."
mandate:
# An authoritative command or instruction.
# A command or an authorization given by a political electorate to its representative.
Definition: authority, order
Mandate (politics), the power granted by an electorate
http://www.answers.com/mandate
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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-03-02 17:04:53 GMT)
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I know that maharajas and kings are not normally elected by their subjects, but have posted this suggestion because the asker has clarified in her note to erika rubinstein that "es sind nicht unbedingt Könige..." Also, the asker states that "Herrscher ohne Reich" bezieht sich auf verschiedene Persönlichkeiten..."
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