For due and valuable consideration

French translation: moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie

07:44 Sep 23, 2019
English to French translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Patents, Trademarks, Copyright / (in a contract) contrat de cession
English term or phrase: For due and valuable consideration
For due and valuable consideration, the receipt of which is acknowledged by Assignor, Assignor hereby assigns to Assignee all its right, title and interest in and to the Patents, and in and to all and any inventions disclosed in the Patents, including:
sara sara (X)
Italy
Local time: 06:49
French translation:moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie
Explanation:


Bonjour imouimou,


"Moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie"
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_deDE846DE846&biw=1...


http://www.wordscope.com/f2712/none/legal/uebersetzung/engli...


"consideration" = "contrepartie"
https://iate.europa.eu/search/standard/result/1569226039758/...

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"15. Indemnité : Moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie"
https://advancedbionics.com/com/en/portals/user-agreements/t...
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Michael Confais (X)
Germany
Local time: 06:49
Grading comment
merci!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2moyennant une contrepartie de valeur
B D Finch
3 +1moyennant une contrepartie à titre onéreux suffisante
Sylvie LE BRAS
3 -1moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie
Michael Confais (X)
4 -2Pour une contrepartie en bonne et due forme
Jean Charles CODINA
Summary of reference entries provided
For due and valuable consideration
Germaine

Discussion entries: 9





  

Answers


25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
for due and valuable consideration
moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie


Explanation:


Bonjour imouimou,


"Moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie"
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_deDE846DE846&biw=1...


http://www.wordscope.com/f2712/none/legal/uebersetzung/engli...


"consideration" = "contrepartie"
https://iate.europa.eu/search/standard/result/1569226039758/...

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Note added at 26 mins (2019-09-23 08:11:00 GMT)
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"15. Indemnité : Moyennant bonne et valable contrepartie"
https://advancedbionics.com/com/en/portals/user-agreements/t...

Michael Confais (X)
Germany
Local time: 06:49
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
merci!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: "Valuable" doesn't mean "valid".
3 hrs

disagree  Bridget Jean: "valable" is not appropriate here
5 hrs

disagree  Daryo: "valuable consideration" is not about "wrong" or "right" [invalid/valid] consideration, but about the offered "consideration" having or not any value at all - for the one it is offered to.
10 hrs

agree  Eliza Hall: This actually works because consideration in US/UK contract law is about contract validity. It's not about actual money or things of financial value being exchanged. BD Finch's answer is better but this works.
1 day 6 hrs
  -> Thank you, Eliza!
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
for due and valuable consideration
Pour une contrepartie en bonne et due forme


Explanation:
Pour une contrepartie en bonne et due forme...

Jean Charles CODINA
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: NO - the concept of "en bonne et due forme" can hardly apply to the "consideration" that is part of a contract OTOH it could apply to what is offered as "consideration" in some cases but even then it's not about "consideration".
36 mins

disagree  B D Finch: Not the meaning of "valuable".
2 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
for due and valuable consideration
moyennant une contrepartie à titre onéreux suffisante


Explanation:
suggestion


    https://iate.europa.eu/search/standard/result/1569236788484/1
    https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-fra.html?lang=fra&i=1&srchtxt=DUE+CONSIDERATION&index=alt&codom2nd_wet=1#resultrecs
Sylvie LE BRAS
France
Local time: 06:49
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: makes no sense / illogical combination: "à titre onéreux" means you won't get something for nothing and wouldn't apply to what is offered as consideration, but to what is exchanged for the consideration.
7 hrs
  -> Rien d'illogique, et les réfs. fournies vont dans ce sens. See IATE: "for valuable consideration" = à titre onéreux

agree  Germaine: C'est exactement ça. Il n'y a rien d'illogique à obtenir une contrepartie à titre onéreux (= acquittement de certaines charges ou moyennant paiement) et suffisante.
16 hrs
  -> Merci, Germaine ! En accord avec vos réfs.

agree  GILOU
21 hrs
  -> Merci !

disagree  Eliza Hall: This actually doesn't mean any payment was made at all, much less a sufficient payment. It could be one dollar, or a promise to do some act in the future... valuable consideration can be almost anything; money is just one possibility.
1 day 2 hrs

agree  Ph_B (X): même si « contrepartie onéreuse » est plus courant en France. Par souci de précision, « suffisante » ne fait pas partie de la question (c'est dans la suite de la phrase).
1 day 6 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
for due and valuable consideration
moyennant une contrepartie de valeur


Explanation:
"Valuable consideration" is given by Harraps Law Dictionary as "contrepartie de valeur".

www.apses.org › doc › chap5_march_R__soc_prof
... sous forme monétaire (mais pas forcément, le troc est aussi un échange marchand) et induit un échange de produits avec contrepartie de valeur équivalente.

Only medium, because I wasn't sure how to incorporate "due", which could be translated as "exigible".

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Note that "valuable" in day-to-day language means of high value. That is not what it means here. It means having a value, which is an older meaning of the word that is still used in a legal context.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 06:49
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Daryo: exactly that, except for the "due ..." part that is slightly odd [combined with THIS TYPE of "consideration"] even in the ST (very very few ghits - sounds like a kind of rarely repeated error) OTOH "good and valuable ..." ghits aplenty!
6 hrs
  -> Thanks Daryo. "Due" isn't really odd. It means necessary/required.

agree  Eliza Hall: Yes, this is it. "De valeur" is vague enough to fit the EN (which is incredibly vague). And BDF, you're right that "due" is not odd; this is just legalese.
1 day 2 hrs
  -> Thanks Eliza. I think that peppercorns are still sometimes mentioned.

neutral  Germaine: Ceci n'est qu'un calque de l'anglais. Alors bien sûr, pour un anglophone, c'est ça et rien d'autre.// Il ne s'agit pas de droit comparé, mais de traduction et cette traduction existe, tant en common law qu'en droit civiliste.
1 day 7 hrs
  -> If the jurisdiction is England and Wales, or based on English law, then it has to translate those concepts, not try to fit with French law.
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Reference comments


20 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: For due and valuable consideration

Reference information:
for valuable consideration - à titre onéreux
OBS: Value is often used as an abbreviation for "valuable consideration," especially in the phrases "purchaser for value," "holder for value," etc. (Jowitt's, 2nd ed., 1977, p. 1849).
Value may consist of spiritual or aesthetic qualities, or in utility in use, or in the amount of money or other goods which could be obtained in exchange for the thing in question. In legal contexts, the last is the sense usually relevant, in such phrases as "holder for value" or "purchaser for value," in each of which "value" means "having paid a reasonable equivalent in money." [Oxford Companion to Law, 1980, p. 1270].
OBS : Ce syntagme figure dans diverses expressions telles que «purchaser for valuable consideration, bailment for valuable consideration», etc., et s'oppose aux adjectifs «gratuitous» et «voluntary» rendus par «à titre gratuit» ou «gratuit».
On veillera à éviter l'emploi de la locution «contre valeur» qui est un calque de l'anglais.

for a consideration, for valuable consideration – à titre onéreux, moyennant contrepartie, moyennant rétribution, contre rémunération

valuable consideration – contrepartie à titre onéreux
fair and valuable consideration – contrepartie à titre onéreux et juste
good and valuation consideration – contrepartie à titre onéreux et valable

DR. A titre onéreux. Sous condition d'acquitter certaines charges; moyennant paiement.
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/onéreux


for due consideration - en considération d'une contrepartie suffisante, en considération d'une prestation suffisante
OBS : Dans tous les contrats à titre onéreux, le débiteur ne s'engage qu'en considération d'une contrepartie. [...] On peut affirmer que la cause des obligations créées par les contrats à titre onéreux est la considération d'une contre-prestation.

Voir aussi (Juridictionnaire):
http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/juridi/in...



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Dans les nombreuses espèces d’actes juridiques, on oppose les actes à titre gratuit et les actes à titre onéreux… l’intention libérale est génératrice de l’acte à titre gratuit, la réciprocité d’avantages est le fondement de l’acte à titre onéreux… En droit, est par conséquent qualifié de gratuit l’acte dont l’auteur qui l’accomplit ou l’établit sans y être tenu n’exige aucune contrepartie pécuniaire ou aucune contreprestation particulière… L’acte à titre onéreux, au contraire, est accompli moyennant soit une contrepartie qui est de la nature d’une prestation monétaire, soit une prestation pécuniairement appréciable.
http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/juridi/in...

VEDETTE: for valuable consideration
SYNONYMES: for value (41279)
GÉNÉRIQUES: valuable consideration (40780)
RENVOIS ANAL. (V. AUSSI): good and valuable consideration (40784), non-gratuitous (88257)
ÉQUIVALENT 1: à titre onéreux
http://www.juriterm.ca/


    Reference: http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-fra.html?la...
    Reference: http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-fra.html?la...
Germaine
Canada
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 43

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Sylvie LE BRAS: bonnes réfs
1 hr
  -> Merci, Sylvie.
neutral  Eliza Hall: Purchaser/holder/etc. for value isn't the same thing. See discussion.
9 hrs
  -> Who says the opposite? Is'nt "for valuable consideration" the same as "for valuable consideration"? N'y a-t-il pas de cheveux autour du pou?
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