(Hortensia) en vert

08:12 Jun 16, 2015
French to English translations [PRO]
Botany
French term or phrase: (Hortensia) en vert
Contexte: "premier producteur européen d’Hortensia en vert."

Hello there,
I'm a bit stuck with "en vert" in this sentence. I think the idea is that the Hydrangeas are sold before they bloom.
I don't want to use "green Hydrangeas" as some Hydrangeas have green flowers so this would create confusion (the plants in question are generally blue-flowered Hydrangeas).
I thought "budding Hydrangeas" or simply "Hydrangea plantlings".

Any thoughts?
Amy Cheshire
France
Local time: 07:21


Summary of answers provided
3 +1pre-budded (hydrangea)
B D Finch
3 +1hydrangea in dormant bud
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4Planting in the green =plant already in leaf
Yvonne Gallagher
3Pre-finished hydrangeas
Alison Kelly
3sold in bud
David Hayes
2(hydrangea) starter plant
Wendy Streitparth
Summary of reference entries provided
hydranea forcing plants???
Nikki Scott-Despaigne

Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


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Pre-finished hydrangeas


Explanation:
I've seen the term pre-finished used for other plants in a very early stage of growth.

Alison Kelly
Ireland
Local time: 06:21
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, that's a big help. I found this: http://heuger.com/en/hortensien/pre-finished-plants/ Although not an original English source, the images of the plants correspond exactly to those I'm dealing with.


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neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: any UK refs? "pre-finished" used most often for wood.
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pre-budded (hydrangea)


Explanation:
Not sure, because I haven't found any UK refs for this term, though there are lots of US refs.

https://www.provenwinners.com/professionals/Hydrangeas-Mothe... Meadow Nursery's Quick Turn™ hydrangeas have been specially pruned for ... Receive these pre-budded Hydrangeas in early February for blooms by ...

www.gpnmag.com/sites/.../07_Hydrangea_GPN0114 FINAL.pdfIt can be a long process.” Using Europe as his inspiration, Deppe returned, determined to find the key to deliv- ering “pre-budded” hydrangeas timed to bloom.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 07:21
Native speaker of: English
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Asker: Thanks for your help!


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agree  Drmanu49: I have seen this term used.
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hydrangea in dormant bud


Explanation:
I'd like to see more context of this is being used; by whom and for whom?
In the meantime my research (see reference post) suggests that the term may be "in dormant bud". The plants are in bud and will be subjected to "forced" growth, timed to bloom at a particular time slot.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 07:21
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Asker: Thanks for your help!


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agree  Yolanda Broad: More messing around with Mother Nature...
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(hydrangea) starter plant


Explanation:
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Wendy Streitparth
Germany
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sold in bud


Explanation:
An alternative way of putting this. The Google search "cut flowers" + "sold in bud" turns up quite a few references to UK sources. I think it's what is meant here.

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The same goes for the Google search "flowers" + "sold in bud" (you may not be talking about cut flowers here).

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Having found more context, I no longer think my initial suggestion is relevant.

David Hayes
France
Local time: 07:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
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Asker: Thanks for your insight!

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Planting in the green =plant already in leaf


Explanation:

My confidence is very high on this.

I have seen the expression "plant in the green" used most ofen for bulbs, especially snowdrops. It means that rather than planting a bulb or tuber, (or you are in fact planting a plant with leaves. Thus it will come into flower faster and you can see what you are getting.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/garden/558799/How-to-pla...

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So the term "en vert" here is possibly misused

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"misused", because we are talking about a shrub rather than bulbs or tubers

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http://www.clare-bulbs.co.uk/snowdrops and bluebells in the ...


Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 06:21
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Asker: Thanks for your insight

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Reference comments


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Reference: hydranea forcing plants???

Reference information:
http://www.hortensias.org/web/fr/

Notre spécialité : la production d’hortensias en vert
Hortensias France Production est le spécialiste à 100% pour la production d’hortensias en vert. Par « hortensia en vert », nous entendons les hortensias en jeunes plants destinés aux producteurs chargés de les faire fleurir.


http://www.hortensias.org/web/en

Hydrangea forcing plants
Hortensias France Production is fully specialised in the production of Hydrangea forcing plants.
The assortment consists of sixteen mophead, and seven lace-cap varieties, in all the normal colours and grown in 12 cm, 14 cm, and 4.7 litre pots.


http://www.hortensias.org/web/en/hydrangea-forcing-plants-sp...

High quality of cold storage facilities
At the production site there are over 24,000 cubic meters cold storage facilities where the entire production can be cooled. By the end of October all forcing plants are transferred to the refrigerated store or a storing space that is free of frost.

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Found by Googling "hortensia en vert" in inverted commas. ;-)

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Typo in header, sorry : "hydranGea"

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http://landscaping.about.com/cs/lazylandscaping/g/forcing.ht...

Forcing is the process of causing a plant to flower before its natural season. For instance, many people eager for Old Man Winter's exit force forsythia flowers in February or March. Forcing pussy willows is another common pastime in late winter.


This may of course be irrelevant, an inaccurate reading, but we have no context apart from the term itself. Dufficult to know how it might apply, if at all!

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Meaning of « hortensia en vert » and of “forcing”. Looks like the « forcing » follows the « en vert ».


http://hydrangea-hortensia.eu/about-us/
La région des Pays de la Loire est le leader européen de la production d’hortensia en vert ; ces plantes sont exportées dans toute l’Europe et au-delà afin d’être forcées par d’autres horticulteurs et être vendues comme plantes fleuries.


https://hydrangeaworldwide.wordpress.com/presentation-2/
Au cœur de la première région de production de l’hydrangea.

La région des Pays de la Loire est le leader européen de la production d’hortensia en vert, exporté sur toute l’Europe. Ces plantes seront forcées par d’autres horticulteurs avant d’être vendues en plantes fleuries.

http://angerstechnopole.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Lettr...
Ce qui a éveillé mon intérêt pour ce métier. Originaire des PaysBas, je suis ingénieur horticole, j’ai repris des travaux sur l’hortensia initiés par la société de mon père (Hortensia France) afin d’optimiser leurs boutures. L’activité de son entreprise étant uniquement sur la production d’hortensia en vert, je me suis approprié cette problématique de multiplication de boutures.

http://www.123pages.fr/en/erp?q=&url=http://www.vegeloire.co...
Spécialité(s) :
Hortensia en vert pour forçage ou plantation, Hortensia fleuri…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23UD_ECixwI

http://www.gpnmag.com/hydrangea-macrophylla-‘cityline-venice...
Forcing
The first consideration to keep in mind when forcing hydrangeas is that they only produce flowers on old wood. The second factor to remember is that they require cold for flowering. After vernalization, the time to force ‘Cityline Venice’ is a function of temperature.
The two most common methods of growing hydrangea are to plant them in the late summer the year before they are to be sold and vernalizing them in the final container or potting them in the spring using vernalized liners. Planting them in the late summer is most commonly done when growers are producing large container sizes (8-inch and up). Hydrangea can be quick-cropped in the spring when growing them in one-gallon containers and when large liner sizes are used.
At the onset of forcing (following vernalization), provide temperatures of 55 to 60° F night and 65 to 75° F day. Warmer temperatures tend to decrease plant quality. At these temperatures, ‘Cityline Venice’ will reach flowering in approximately eight weeks. If flowering plants are desired before mid-May, it will take an additional two to three weeks for them to bloom. Decreasing production temperatures as they approach flowering will intensify the coloration of the blooms.

http://msucares.com/news/print/agnews/an10/100422.html
To have them ready for sale, growers use a process called forcing. Growers manipulate the plants to obtain blooms within a marketing window by controlling their growth with different treatments, including leaf shed, or defoliation, cold storage and forcing in the greenhouse.
Bi’s goals were to develop methods to promote defoliation without affecting nutrient storage and to identify a fertilization program that reduces excessive vegetative growth, allows plants to use nitrogen efficiently and improves flowering performance. She consulted with several greenhouse operators on the project.
“Dr. Bi sees what we are trying to do, and she puts together a protocol that addresses some of the problems we have in our production,” said Mark Terkanian, general manager of Natchez Trace Greenhouses in Kosciusko. “I’m a grower, and she is the scientist. It keeps us both on track to solve problems.”
Natchez Trace Greenhouses is now producing dormant hydrangea plants, instead of buying them from the West Coast. Terkanian said he has seen demand for hydrangeas increase in the last five years with no sign of slowing down.
“It costs more than $5 per plant to ship dormant hydrangeas from the West Coast,” he said. “You can see why we needed an alternative to buying dormant plants.”
The labor-intensive process to produce hydrangeas at Terkanian’s facility starts in April. Terkanian buys unrooted cuttings from Oregon and plants them in containers. The plants are placed in greenhouses or shaded fields to develop their root systems and go through summer’s vegetative growth phase.
The plants start to develop flower buds in late summer and autumn before they are placed into a cooler. This cold storage phase takes from six to 10 weeks. The hydrangeas are then taken out of the cooler and placed in the greenhouse for forcing into bloom.
Terkanian was interested in minimizing production time and cost. He invited Bi to use his facility for her experiment with chemical defoliants and foliar fertilization sprays.
“As a grower, I want to know how things work, particularly if we want to mimic the natural blooming process for hydrangeas,” he said.
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/40/6/1695.full.p...
See the 5 uses of “dormant buds”.


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As BD points out, many more US refs. The UK refs are thin on the ground. I certainly seems to be describing plants which are ready for forcing adn which are in bud. Am I right in understanding that they will not bud unless and until forced and that the term "dormant bud" may be helpful?

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks for all this Niki. I think you are right with the idea. I have very little context as this is for a very concise and non-technical film about this plant growing industry in the Anjou region. I've gone with "pre-finished" in the end as it fits the format best, but I think a couple of the other suggestions including yours are equally accurate.


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Kirsten Bodart: I saw that too. Apparently there are several plants this is done with.
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