Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
conventionnel
English translation:
collectively agreed
Added to glossary by
joanna menda
Nov 19, 2023 13:13
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French term
conventionnel
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Human Resources
Hi,
I am currently translating payslips from New Caledonia for immigration to Australia.
I have the following:
Convention: Commerce et divers
Qualification: AM3 - Niv.4 Ech.2 - Indice 306
Point = 795 soit xxx XPF conventionnel
What do you they mean by "conventionnel" in this instance? "According to the collective agreement"?
Thanks
Joanna
I am currently translating payslips from New Caledonia for immigration to Australia.
I have the following:
Convention: Commerce et divers
Qualification: AM3 - Niv.4 Ech.2 - Indice 306
Point = 795 soit xxx XPF conventionnel
What do you they mean by "conventionnel" in this instance? "According to the collective agreement"?
Thanks
Joanna
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | collectively agreed (NC); contractual; Treaty-related | Adrian MM. |
3 +1 | Professional category | SafeTex |
3 | conventional | Lisa Rosengard |
References
Collective agreement | philgoddard |
Change log
Nov 19, 2023 16:39: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Bus/Financial" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "Payslip" to "(none)"
Proposed translations
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collectively agreed (NC); contractual; Treaty-related
Having met New Caledonians at the FIT / ITF - International Translators' (and Interpreters') Federation Congress in Melbourne, Oz, in 1996 I do verily agree with Collective Agreement, though feel that other feasible meanings ought to be spelt out.
Example sentence:
DTE - Direction du Travail et de l’Emploi Accord professionnel de la branche « Commerces et divers » ... 98849 NOUMÉA CEDEX - TÉL. : (+687) 27.55.72 - WWW . DTENC.GOUV. NC
Reference:
http://dtenc.gouv.nc/reglementation-en-ligne/conventions-accords-collectifs-travail?tid=109
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Your first suggestion is correct, but not the others.
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The others are for (diligent and appreciative colleagues') reference-only.
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AllegroTrans
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Comment: "Thanks!"
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11 hrs
Professional category
Hello
It's more like "professional category" and it goes far beyond "collective agreement" in that there may not even be an employer, as with freelancers or sole traders for instance.
There may also be "legislation" covering such categories, for example qualifications and tax returns, which go beyond the idea of "collective agreement"
See a French tax return form for landlords for instance.
It's more like "professional category" and it goes far beyond "collective agreement" in that there may not even be an employer, as with freelancers or sole traders for instance.
There may also be "legislation" covering such categories, for example qualifications and tax returns, which go beyond the idea of "collective agreement"
See a French tax return form for landlords for instance.
Reference:
https://www.convention.fr/actualites/classification-professionnelle-retour-elements-clef-59997
7 hrs
conventional
There's a reference on a PDF file to a minimum conventional salary.
https://www.usoenc.nc/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Salaire-Con...
At a business convention (a meeting or a conference) a group of people or interested parties held a discussion to reach an agreement on minimum salaries for employees.
(A (business) convention is an event where a group of people interested in one topic gather at a specific place and time to discuss a said topic or make a decision.)
https://dtenc.gouv.nc/reglementation-en-ligne/conventions-ac...
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Note added at 4 days (2023-11-23 17:48:38 GMT) Post-grading
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A conventional wage or salary is one which is accepted as a standard basic rate of pay.
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
Here are some definitions of conventional:
"A conventional item is based on, or in accordance with general agreement. It conforms to established practice or accepted standards or traditions.
In law a conventional item is based on consent, agreement or contract.
It's established by general agreement or accepted usage."
https://thefreedictionary.com/conventional
https://www.usoenc.nc/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Salaire-Con...
At a business convention (a meeting or a conference) a group of people or interested parties held a discussion to reach an agreement on minimum salaries for employees.
(A (business) convention is an event where a group of people interested in one topic gather at a specific place and time to discuss a said topic or make a decision.)
https://dtenc.gouv.nc/reglementation-en-ligne/conventions-ac...
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Note added at 4 days (2023-11-23 17:48:38 GMT) Post-grading
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A conventional wage or salary is one which is accepted as a standard basic rate of pay.
https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
Here are some definitions of conventional:
"A conventional item is based on, or in accordance with general agreement. It conforms to established practice or accepted standards or traditions.
In law a conventional item is based on consent, agreement or contract.
It's established by general agreement or accepted usage."
https://thefreedictionary.com/conventional
Reference:
http://usoenc.nc/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Salaire-Conventionnel-TRANSPORTS-AERIENS-2013.pdf
Reference comments
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Reference:
Discussion
Explanation of how 'salaires conventionnels' are calculated here https://www.medef.nc/dossiers/salaires-conventionnels (about a third of the way down the page)