se réclamer de

English translation: claim / is claiming / is staking a claim to / making a claim to / claim rights

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French term or phrase:	se réclamer de
English translation:	claim / is claiming / is staking a claim to / making a claim to / claim rights
Entered by:	Conor McAuley

19:04 Mar 11, 2021

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French term or phrase: se réclamer de

Appeal against an arbitration award which refused jurisdiction. The appeal says it should have accepted jurisdiction. The arbitration case is about a trust and a bilateral trade agreement (TBI). The substantive argument is about whehter the trust beneficiaries can be considered to be investors for the purposes of the TBI.

"Il contient à la fois les conditions de la compétence d'un tribunal arbitral et les normes de protection dont un investisseur peut se réclamer."

[names of countries changed:]
"Si le Burundi et l'Andorre avait entendu conditionner l'existence d'un « investissement » au fait que celui-ci soit détenu par la personne qui s'en réclame, ou dispose d'un droit spécifique dessus, ils auraient facilement pu le préciser, en indiquant, par exemple, que le terme investissement signifie « tout type d'avoir détenu par » ou encore « appartenant à »."

"Il suffit notamment, pour que l'« avoir » dont se réclament les Demandeurs puisse ainsi être qualifié d'« investissement » au sens du TBI, qu'il soit doté d'une valeur économique."

"Ce faisant, il n'a tenu aucun compte, outre les termes clairs du TBI, de son esprit et de la volonté non équivoque du gouvernement burundien d'y inclure une définition volontairement très large de l'investissement, qui ne nécessite que la caractérisation d'un avoir ayant une valeur économique, indépendamment de la nature de la relation entre cet avoir et la personne qui s'en réclame."

This para is the most significant:
"Il ressort de l'article 1(a) que tout autre avoir, non listé dans cet article, ayant une valeur économique peut constituer un « investissement », quelle que soit la nature de la relation entre cet avoir et la personne qui s'en réclame (qu'elle le détienne formellement, en soit le bénéficiaire, en ait le contrôle, l'usage, etc.)"

"se prévaloir de" used apparently in a synonymous way
"Au vu des termes du TBI, le Tribunal pouvait et devait conclure que les Actifs andorriens dont se prévalent les Demandeurs étaient dotés d'une valeur économique."

"En l'occurrence, le TBI ne fait pas de lien entre les « avoirs » qu'il cite en exemple de ce que peut constituer un investissement et la « possession » dudit avoir par le national de l'un des États contractants qui entend s'en prévaloir."

The 5th para above is, as I say, the most significant: it indicates that this state of "se réclamant de qqch" can encompass le détenir, en être bénéficiaire, en avoir contrôle, en avoir l'usage or indeed, and significantly, etc..

So far my best shot is "claim possession of", but this is not really precise enough if it is to fit the fifth para's déclinaison.

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claim / is claiming / is staking a claim to / making a claim to

Explanation:

I don't think it's any more complicated that that (the language element, anyway).

I'm sure you've had a gander at Bridge already and this is what he said.

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"Il contient à la fois les conditions de la compétence d'un tribunal arbitral et les normes de protection dont un investisseur peut se réclamer."

Here, "may claim to be entitled to", but you might be well-advised to re-arrange the sentence.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=rQAKtn-XjzIC&pg=PA246&lpg=P...

se prévaloir, Bridge

base one's actions on

"le national de l'un des États"

This bit sounds like a translation from English (the national of one of the States), but, if memory serves, this series of questions is about Switzerland.

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Anyway, good luck with it, it looks like heavy going.

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I've got 1994, which appears to be the year of the first edition.

Mine has no entry for "réclamer", but I do have "réclamant" > claimant. I rely on the internet when I'm more than 95% sure.
"réclamer" and its relations often translate as claim-something, apart from réclamation, which translates a "complaint" mostly.

But "prévaloir" I've got, laid out just like the entry in the link I posted.

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"This bit sounds like a translation from English (the national of one of the States), but, if memory serves, this series of questions is about Switzerland" -- just to explain this bit: in Swiss French, sometimes you hear and read expressions that sound a bit unusual to people (like me) who deal mainly with French (France).

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Asker: Thanks. Recourse to a gander was indeed had, and it appears you may have a different edition of Bridge to mine: none of the above stuff appears for either "réclamer" or "prévaloir". Interesting. Mine's dated 1994. Paper! Maybe I should invest in the new edition. I just had a look at the Council of Europe site: I wonder whether it has been made available online, as a PDF, searchable document, etc. What's your edition like and from when?

Asker: By the way, "se réclamer des ... normes de protection" is more straightforward. It's not that heavy-going really, and very repetitive, almost to the point of being hypnotic. Just in case the judge reading it glazes over/falls asleep and fails to retain the main points, presumably, they are made many many times...

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