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тоновый неудар

English translation: lack of tonal accent

14:34 Nov 1, 2014
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Social Sciences - Linguistics / лингвистика
Russian term or phrase: тоновый неудар
Отсутствие четких критериев сопоставления в двуязычных словарях. Сопоставление звукоизобразительной лексики в немецко-русских словарях основано на их смысловой близости, при этом не учитывается фоносемантическая специфика этих единиц. Так, слово bum квалифицируется в словарях (Lingvo, Multitran. Большой немецко-русский словарь) как междометие (Interjektion) и переводится как бум, бах. При этом в данном значении bum является ономатопом (а не междометием) и эксплицирует удар (выражен взрывным /b/) с последующим тоновым неударом (выражен сонантом /m/). Перевод бах является не совсем точным, поскольку здесь акустический денотат являет собою удар с последующим шумовым неударом (выражен глухим гуттуральным /х/). Следовательно, рус. бах с учетом фоносемантических характеристик будет соответствовать нем. baff или paff
Aovin
Russian Federation
Local time: 14:58
English translation:lack of tonal accent
Explanation:
This is tricky stuff and it's been decades since my last phonics class. Nor do I speak any German. That said, I don't think the original uses correct terminology. If memory serves me right, the correct dichotomy is between plosive and fricative consonants rather than btw plosion and tone or lack thereof. By the same logic, you shumovoi neudar may simply be rendered as "followed by a fricative h". Chances are though that none of this really matters since phonics "as she is spoke" in English, and maybe in German too, probably uses a set of concepts and terms that is distinctly different from those favored by Russian researchers. This is to a large extent true of other branches of linguistics, such as grammar and semiotics and untold other fields. We are literally speaking different languages here - in more senses than one.
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2 +2lack of tonal accent
The Misha
3unstressed (syllable)
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lack of tonal accent


Explanation:
This is tricky stuff and it's been decades since my last phonics class. Nor do I speak any German. That said, I don't think the original uses correct terminology. If memory serves me right, the correct dichotomy is between plosive and fricative consonants rather than btw plosion and tone or lack thereof. By the same logic, you shumovoi neudar may simply be rendered as "followed by a fricative h". Chances are though that none of this really matters since phonics "as she is spoke" in English, and maybe in German too, probably uses a set of concepts and terms that is distinctly different from those favored by Russian researchers. This is to a large extent true of other branches of linguistics, such as grammar and semiotics and untold other fields. We are literally speaking different languages here - in more senses than one.

The Misha
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unstressed (syllable)


Explanation:
tonal stress (not accent), I believe (my linguistics classes are also distant memories and my Russian/English dictionary of linguistics is not around), but in this case I'd say that the "b" of "bum" (German), "boom" (English) is followed by an unstressed syllable rendered by the (labial fricative?) /m/ (short, unstressed vowel followed by /m/).

Gabrielle Leyden
Belgium
Local time: 13:58
Native speaker of: English
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