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Time to choose winners in “Game on” translation contest

Julieta Llamazares — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:41:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Time to choose winners in “Game on” translation contest
Poster: Julieta Llamazares

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Hi all,

Sorry to post here in English, I just wanted to let you know that the translation contest “Game on” is now in the finals phase, and with a few more votes we will be able to determine winners in English to Malay. Take a few minutes to check out the entries and pick your favourite!

Click here to vote.

Thank you for your help!
Julieta

ProZ.com translation contest "Bon voyage". The submission phase will be open until 27 February!

Julieta Llamazares — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 19:51:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: ProZ.com translation contest "Bon voyage". The submission phase will be open until 27 February!
Poster: Julieta Llamazares

Dear all,

I apologize for posting here in English. As you might already know, a new translation contest is running: “Bon voyage”. In this new edition, you can choose among three source texts (in English, Spanish and Portuguese) about travel to translate. If you would like to participate, keep in mind that the submission phase will be open until 27 February.

Click here to participate »

Happy translating,

Julieta

Finals phase has been extended until December 31st for English to Malay

Julieta Llamazares — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 21:25:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Finals phase has been extended until December 31st for English to Malay
Poster: Julieta Llamazares

Dear all,

Winners of "The Tides of Tech" translation contest have been selected in some pairs. However, the finals phase has been extended until December 31st in English to Malay to allow the community to choose the best translation!

You can read the entries here and vote for your favourite>>

Thank you to everyone who participated!

Best of luck,

Julieta and Andrea

Last chance to choose the best translation for “The Tides of Tech” translation contest

Andrea Capuselli — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:07:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Last chance to choose the best translation for “The Tides of Tech” translation contest
Poster: Andrea Capuselli

Hi, ProZ.com community.

The ProZ.com translation contest The Tides of Tech is coming to an end, and there are only a few days left to cast your vote.

ProZ.com translation contests function on a peer-review basis: it’s the community of translators who decides which of the submissions is best. And the English to Malay pair still needs a few more votes to choose a winner!

Click here to read all the amazing translations in the competition —and vote on which translation deserves third, second and first place.

Thank you to all the translators who have already participated, both by submitting a translation and by rating, offering feedback and voting!

Happy translating,

Julieta and Andrea

ProZ.com contest “The Tides of Tech” needs your help to select winners!

Julieta Llamazares — Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:50:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: ProZ.com contest “The Tides of Tech” needs your help to select winners!
Poster: Julieta Llamazares

As you might know, ProZ.com's latest contest “The Tides of Tech” is now on finals phase. ProZ.com staff really appreciates the effort made by those who participated already, either by voting or submitting their entry, and now you have the opportunity to choose the best translation into Malay as the winner.

Click here to see the entries and vote>>

Happy translating,

Julieta and Andrea

Bantu kami memilih para finalis dalam pertandingan terjemahan "The Tides of Tech"

Andrea Capuselli — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:36:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Bantu kami memilih para finalis dalam pertandingan terjemahan "The Tides of Tech"
Poster: Andrea Capuselli

Hello semua!

The current translation contest, “The Tides of Tech” will be in the qualifications phase until October 25th, and your ratings can help choose the finalists for the next phase.

You can start reading the translations and rate them here.

By ratings entries on their "Quality of writing" and "Accuracy of translation", you’ll help the ProZ.com community choose the finalists to find the best English to Malay translation. You can rate as many or as few entries as you like, it is not necessary to rate all of the entries if you do not want to. Every rating helps, and we appreciate your effort!

Thanks to the 11 participants in English to Malay who submitted their entries! The ProZ.com team wishes you the best of luck in the upcoming phases.

Happy translating,

Julieta and Andrea

"Dust Bowl" song: propose your translation into Malay

Lucia Leszinsky — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:23:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: "Dust Bowl" song: propose your translation into Malay
Poster: Lucia Leszinsky

Hello everyone,

Sorry to post here in English, but I just thought some of you would like to know that there is currently a translation mash-up going on, that is, a translation contest in three short stages that invites everyone to propose the translation of the song "Dust Bowl" by Joe Bonamassa:

[url removed]

So far, the contest has received only two entries in Malay, so be sure to propose your translations too. The more entries in a given pair, the higher the chances to have that pair included in the final mash-up.

To submit your entry in Malay and have the chance to stand out as an expert in your language, visit [url removed]

Entries will be received until September 30th, 11:00 pm GMT.

Need help? Let me know below or via email ( [email removed] ).

Have fun and good luck!

Lu

Translation contest: Help choose the winner in the English to Malay pair

Tatiana Dietrich — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 15:57:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Translation contest: Help choose the winner in the English to Malay pair
Poster: Tatiana Dietrich

Hi all,

Sorry for posting here in English. I wanted to let you know that the English to Malay contest has made it to the Finals phase.

Would you take a look at the finalist entries and vote for your favorites so we can choose a winner?

• Votes are anonymous.
• You can vote for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.
• Every vote helps ensure the best translation wins.

Thanks!

Tatiana

English to Malay translation contest: help determine the finalists

Tatiana Dietrich — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:56:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: English to Malay translation contest: help determine the finalists
Poster: Tatiana Dietrich

Hi all,

Sorry for posting here in English, but I just wanted to let you know that the English to Malay contest has moved into the Qualification phase.

You can now help determine the finalists by rating entries based on accuracy of translation and quality of writing (you can rate as many or as few as you want). So, which entries do you think should move forward, and which should not? Submit your ratings here!

If you have a friend or colleague who works in this pair, you can also help ensure it moves to the Finals phase by inviting them to rate entries.

Regards,

Tatiana

Mengapa anda memilih untuk menjadi penterjemah? | bagus juga langkah pemulihan kecemasan ini!

yam2u — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:52:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Mengapa anda memilih untuk menjadi penterjemah?
Poster: yam2u
Post title: bagus juga langkah pemulihan kecemasan ini!

[quote]Nor Afizah Thalhan wrote:

Assalamualaikum,

Nampaknya thread ini dah berhabuk hampir lebih daripada 10 tahun!

Perkongsian: Saya menjadi penterjemah sejak di bangku kolej yang bermula secara kebetulan. Minat, bakat, potensi bidang ini, panduan daripada beberapa mentor yang betul dan salah serta usaha tanpa jemu yang membawa saya ke tahap sekarang. Seingat saya, harga yang ditetapkan adalah RM2.50 untuk satu muka surat, sekarang sudah mencecah USD 0.12 untuk satu patah perkataan.

Bagaimana dengan penterjemah yang lain terutamanya yang baru?

[Edited at 2018-06-21 04:37 GMT] [/quote]

salam syawal, Nor Afizah!

terkejut beruk saya bila terima emel ini. :D

10 tahun! memang dah berhabuk betul thread ini. tapi nampaknya topik ini masih relevan kerana ramai ahli baru. sekurang2nya mereka boleh ambil peluang ini utk berkenalan.

selamat menterjemah!

-may-

Mengapa anda memilih untuk menjadi penterjemah? | Hidupkan kembali forum ini!

Nor Afizah (X) — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 04:36:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Mengapa anda memilih untuk menjadi penterjemah?
Poster: Nor Afizah (X)
Post title: Hidupkan kembali forum ini!

Assalamualaikum,

Nampaknya thread ini dah berhabuk hampir lebih daripada 10 tahun!

Perkongsian: Saya menjadi penterjemah sejak di bangku kolej yang bermula secara kebetulan. Minat, bakat, potensi bidang ini, panduan daripada beberapa mentor yang betul dan salah serta usaha tanpa jemu yang membawa saya ke tahap sekarang. Seingat saya, harga yang ditetapkan adalah RM2.50 untuk satu muka surat, sekarang sudah mencecah USD 0.12 untuk satu patah perkataan.

Bagaimana dengan penterjemah yang lain terutamanya yang baru?

[Edited at 2018-06-21 04:37 GMT]

Adakah jadi translator ni menguntungkan ??

Nuri2017 — Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:25:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Adakah jadi translator ni menguntungkan ??
Poster: Nuri2017

Apa pendapat korang ? Pada pendapat aku, nak ckp dapat [url=" [url removed] " ] duit banyak [/url] blom tentu la..kalau korang keje partime dari rumah ni. Nak jadik translator hati kena tegar, otak kena cekap. kekadang tu ada perkataan yang tak penah dengo pun. apa2 pun nak buat apa pun , ilmu kena ada ..

Database untuk penterjemah

Nor Afizah (X) — Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:43:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Database untuk penterjemah
Poster: Nor Afizah (X)

Salam rakan-rakan penterjemah,

Saya masih boleh dikategorikan sebagai baru di Proz.com. Mula menjadi premium member dalam pertengahan tahun ini. Dan sejak itulah saya kerap kunjungi forum ini. Totally dead. Last post tahun lepas.

Setelah menunggu sekian lama, saya cadangkan kita semua yang tidak dinafikan sibuk menterjemah disamping menguruskan segala macam hal yang lain, untuk aktifkan kembali forum yang sememangnya telah dikhaskan ruang untuk kita. Yang untung kita jugak bukan? Boleh ? Untuk kita-kita aje. :)

Topik pertama yang terlintas di minda ialah sistem database klien. Mat saleh cakap : Whatever you might call the only database that you use to store clients' details (payment, rate, jobs etc).

Ada yang guna MS Access. Ada yang guna Excel sahaja. Adakah saya tersangat ketinggalan atau lebih maju daripada anda semua?

Mari diskus!

Terjemahan lebih

Ramona Ali — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:40:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Terjemahan lebih
Poster: Ramona Ali

Siew Yin, apa tu "terjemahan lebih"?

Terjemahan lebih

siewyin — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:36:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Terjemahan lebih
Poster: siewyin

Di manakah saya boleh mendapatkan maklumat tentang terjemahan lebih?

soalan ttg daftar nikah | Date of issue of marriage certificate not the same as date of nikah

abdrahman — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:38:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: soalan ttg daftar nikah
Poster: abdrahman
Post title: Date of issue of marriage certificate not the same as date of nikah

The date of issue of the marriage certificate is the same as the date of registration of the marriage. However, this is not the same as the date of the nikah ceremony, the solemnisation of the marriage, which would be earlier by days or even months.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

Abdrahman

soalan ttg daftar nikah

definitions — Mon, 31 May 2010 18:31:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: soalan ttg daftar nikah
Poster: definitions

Hi all,

I've been asked to "selectively translate" a daftar nikah-- the client only wants certain info from it, one of which is the date of issue (not stated on the document). My question is, for a Malaysian daftar nikah, would that be the same as the date of registration? Unlike a birth certificate, where the dates of birth, registration & issue are all different, the daftar nikah is issued on the same date as the nikah, or am I wrong here? Someone help clarify pls?

Terima kasih terdahulu

Nor

Dewan Eja Pro 1.5 untuk Office

Muhammad Razin Ong Abdullah — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:39:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Dewan Eja Pro 1.5 untuk Office <2007?
Poster: Muhammad Razin Ong Abdullah
Post title: DEP tak berapa diguna....

Diam tak diam sudah 3 tahun saya menggunakan PC. Sebelum ini saya hanya selesa dengan Mac. Sekarang saya sudah lupa tentang RakanBM dan SISKEP seperti kacang lupakan kulit ha ha...

Berbalik kepada soal DEP. Saya jarang-jarang sekali membuka DEP kerana saya dapati tapak web DBP lebih mudah dan cepat serta lebih menyeluruh. Tambahan pula boleh dikatakan kebanyakan tempat ada WiFi.

Kemungkinan pada masa depan, Trados juga tidak diperlukan sekiranya ada perisian dalam talian yang dapat merakam dan mengembalikan ingatan terjemahan.

Apa pendapat anda?

Sekadar menghidupkan balik forum ini...

salam sejahtera | hi, shareyfa!

yam2u — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:35:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: salam sejahtera
Poster: yam2u
Post title: hi, shareyfa!

salam sejahtera dan salam perkenalan.

selamat bergabung dgn proz.com dan selamat menempuhi dunia penterjemahan.

saya may, morderator forum ini.

salam sejahtera

shareyfa — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:18:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: salam sejahtera
Poster: shareyfa

hai saya shareyfa. masih baru dalam dunia penterjemahan.masih banyak yg perlu belajar. lega rasanya bila dapat tahu mengenai website ini.
harap harap sudi membantu. terima kasih

Interpreters in Malaysian magistrates courts

tomima (X) — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:22:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Interpreters in Malaysian magistrates courts
Poster: tomima (X)

I would be truly grateful if anyone knows the answer to these questions:
1. do interpreters in Malaysian magistrates courts have to be officially recognised or engaged by the court?
2. does the interpreter have to work between Bahasa Malaysia and the foreign language or is English-FL interpretation allowed?
3. If the interpretation has to include Bahasa, can two interpreters be used (BM/ English, English/FL)?

I am asking in relation to the case of a young Thai girl who has been detained on a charge of working illegally while on a social visit pass. The court hearing has been adjourned twice because 'no interpreter was available.' The next hearing has been set for 22 April which will mean that the girl will have spent three months in detention- and, as far as I can see, there is no guarantee that there will be an interpreter in attendance even then. On the last occasion the court did ask for an interpreter from Putrajaya (the girl is not being held in KL). There was no show probably because there are so few Thai interpreters and other “higher courts” would have precedence.
We are currently trying to advance the date of the hearing and at the same time attempting to secure the services of an interpreter ourselves.
I am a retired language professional but new to this forum so please excuse my naivety.

Glossary-building" KudoZ to be deployed in Malay

Enrique Cavalitto — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:09:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Glossary-building" KudoZ to be deployed in Malay
Poster: Enrique Cavalitto

Glossary-building KudoZ (GBK) terms, already introduced into other language pairs, are now available for the English to Malay language pair.

The primary purpose of GBK questions is to enable the ProZ.com community to together find the best translation of a given term into a given language, and to incorporate the term and its translation into an authoritative multi-lingual glossary which will be made available openly under the Creative Commons "Attribution" license ("CC-by").

A secondary purpose of the new format is to provide opportunities for KudoZ participation (along with the associated benefits of networking, learning and professional differentiation), in pairs and fields in which few questions are currently asked.

Glossary-building questions have several unique structural characteristics, including:

inclusion of definitions and example sentences

possible restrictions on who may answer

a fixed period of time available for answering

selection of best answer by peers

Glossary-building questions will be run in parallel to the traditional "help" type questions, which will not change in format.

When it comes to building a glossary, the new "Glossary-building" type of question are expected to have the following advantages over the "help-based" type:

Time pressure is reduced.

Translations are submitted and evaluated by native translators who are specialized in the particular combination.

Context is more complete, both in source and target languages, making for a more useful reference.

During the first 72 hours (submission phase) of a GBK question, participation is restricted to users native in the source or target language, having the language pair among their working pairs and at least one of the fields of expertise (principal or additional) among their specialty pairs.

If the question remains open after the first 72 hours, it moves into the selection phase, where participation is enabled for users with the field of expertise among their specialty or working ones.

For more information see [url removed] #glossary_building_kudoz

The first questions are:
[url removed]
[url removed]

Regards,
Enrique

Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair | Got it!

AniseK — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:57:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair
Poster: AniseK
Post title: Got it!

Hi naimjalil,

Thank you for the opinion. You have a point there.

Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair | Tejemahan, bukan Bahasa

Naim Jalil — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:07:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair
Poster: Naim Jalil
Post title: Tejemahan, bukan Bahasa

Hai Anisah,

Pada saya, teknik terjemahan itu yang lebih utama berbanding padanan atau pasangan bahasa yang ingin diterjemahkan. Jadi, walau dalam apa bahasa sekalipun kursus itu ditawarkan, yang penting adalah isi kandungan kursus, bukan bahasa pengantaranya.

Kemahiran berbahasa pula mungkin memerlukan kursus yang lain pula.

Kalau tak silap saya, UM ada menawarkan kursus lanjutan dalam bidang penterjemahan. Saya pun kurang ingat. ITNM ada menawarkan kursus jangka pendek, mungkin tidak sampai tahap diploma.

Sekadar pandangan...

Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair

AniseK — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:38:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Diploma in Translation:Jap>Mal & Jap>Eng Language Pair
Poster: AniseK

Hi everyone,

I've been an in-house translator for the past 10 years, and doing freelance work as a part-time job. But now that I am planning to focus on my freelance work, I think that having a Diploma in Translation will help me be a better translator.

The problem is, my main working language includes Japanese. I've asked around, the classes offered locally are mostly for English>Malay translation. Does anyone know of any institution in Malaysia, or a reputable online course that can help me in getting my diploma for Japanese>English & Japanese>Malay language pair?

Your opinion is most welcome. Thank you in advance.
Anisah Kassim

projek besar - lebih suka tangani sendiri atau bersama bantuan? | BM = bahasa kelas eksotik

yam2u — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:01:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: projek besar - lebih suka tangani sendiri atau bersama bantuan?
Poster: yam2u
Post title: BM = bahasa kelas eksotik

[quote]naimjalil wrote:

Ini juga satu cara untuk kita memantapkan martabat bahasa. barulah agensi tak pandang rendah pada kita, konon bahasa kita bahasa kelas ketiga.

[/quote]

Saya setuju benar dgn Naim tentang forum begini boleh membantu memantapkan mertabat bahasa kita. Tetapi bukan sahaja untuk kedudukannya di pasaran tetapi di kalangan penterjemah BM sendiri. Rasa saya ramai penterjemah BM yg masuk ke gelanggang tidak terlebih dahulu menyelidik tentang pasaran terjemahan BM.

Agensi terjemahan yg maklum dan berwibawa tidak menganggap bahasa kita bahasa kelas ketiga. Sebaliknya dalam industri penterjemahan, BM terjumlah dalam golongan bahasa eksotik, golongan yg kadarnya bayarannya adalah tinggi. Percayalah, saya sudah menterjemah lebih drp 14 tahun dengan perletakan kadar yg premium (mengikut kadar pasaran terjemahan antarabangsa) dan langganan yang saya terima adalah memuaskan.

Tetapi memang ada agensi yang membuat tawaran picisan bagi terjemahan BM. Malah bagi mana2 pasangan bahasa jua. Itu biasalah. Malangnya perlakuan begini terhadap BM oleh agensi tidak bertanggungjawab disambut dan dilayani oleh sesetengah penterjemah BM sendiri.

Mungkin kerana mereka tidak mahu terlepas tugasan, tetapi ini merupakan langkah yg, pada jangka panjangnya, tidak bijak. Bukan sahaja perbuatan ini memendapkan kadar dan seterusnya akan memusnahkan pasaran BM keseluruhan, tetapi penterjemah tersebut akan mendapati hampir mustahil untuk dia menaikkan kadarnya dgn pelanggan yg sama (atau dgn pelanggan lain yg tahu dia boleh dibayar kadar bawah pasaran) apabila dia sedar yg kadarnya adalah tidak setaraf langsung dengan apa yang penterjemah lain dapat.

Kesudahannya penterjemah yg menerima harga rendah akan terpaksa bekerja lebih teruk utk menjana bayaran yg sama dgn sejawat yg menerima kadar yg lebih mencerminkan kadar pasaran.

Bersama-samalah kita menjaga martabat pasangan terjemahan BM!

-may-

Mari-mari. | W'kumsalam Naim.

yam2u — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:56:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Mari-mari.
Poster: yam2u
Post title: W'kumsalam Naim.

Selamat bergabung!

Memang ramai juga penterjemah dengan pasangan Bahasa Malaysia (tidak kira orang Malaysia atau tidak), lebih kurang 500 lebih, tak silap saya. Hanya penyertaan dalam forum agak lembap.

Bukan di sini saja, malah di forum BM 'Teraju' pun tidak ramai yang mahu berbincang sangat. Tetapi di sana lebih rancak sikit sebab forum itu lebih tua - sudah 10 tahun. Kalau Naim nak ikut serta di sana juga, ini pautannya:

[url removed]

Untuk bergabung:

[email removed]

-may-

p.s. Kalau jumpa Lotfi, jangan lupa bercerita di sini. Saya sering juga jumpa rerakan penterjemah Proz.com bila menyertai ke powwow. Sayangnya setakat ini belum berjumpa penterjemah BM lain. Penterjemah Bahasa Indonesia adalah.

projek besar - lebih suka tangani sendiri atau bersama bantuan? | Sudah Terlepas Keretapi

Naim Jalil — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:01:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: projek besar - lebih suka tangani sendiri atau bersama bantuan?
Poster: Naim Jalil
Post title: Sudah Terlepas Keretapi

Maaf, terlewat untuk turut serta dalam forum ini. nampaknya masih belum ditutup untuk saya mengutarakan pendapat.

Dengarnya di Malaysia, ITNM sedang buat projek terjemahan bersama. Seorang ketua penterjemah mengetuai sekumpulan penterjemah 'muda' menterjemah karya-karya klasik. mungkin, penterjemah-penterjemah yang dah 'otai' boleh brush-up penterjemah baru melalui kaedah ini. Kita dapat kongsi pendapatan, pengalaman dan ilmu pengetahuan. Ini juga satu cara untuk kita memantapkan martabat bahasa. barulah agensi tak pandang rendah pada kita, konon bahasa kita bahasa kelas ketiga.

rujuk forum [url removed]

Apa-apa pun, berkerja dalam kumpulan memberi impak yang berbeza berbanding dengan berkerja sendiri. Yang utama, bagaimana ketua membawa kumpulannya mencapai matlamat yang sama.

Mari-mari. | Hello!!! Hello??

Naim Jalil — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:08:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: Mari-mari.
Poster: Naim Jalil
Post title: Hello!!! Hello??

Assalamualaikum dan Salam Sejahtera

Ada lagi ke orang Malaysia kat sini? Kiriman terakhir; may 9... Hmmm... dah lebih dua bulan...

Apa-apa pun, saya Naim Jalil. Baru semalam terserempak dengan ProZ ni dan baru kejap tadi terjumpa forum ni. Selamat berkenalan semua.

saya di Jiddah. Sudah setahun. mungkin nanti boleh jumpa lotfi di Haram.

saya buat terjemahan secara sambilan, tapi sekarang ni nak cuba secara lebih serius.

7th Proz.com Translation Contest: Submission phase is on! | Seperti biasa...

yam2u — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:32:00 +0000

Forum: Malay
Topic: 7th Proz.com Translation Contest: Submission phase is on!
Poster: yam2u
Post title: Seperti biasa...

nampaknya saya seorang saja yang hantar masukan.

Agaknya orang lain sibuk2 belaka.

Sayang, sebab tentu ramai yang mungkin seronok kalau ada masa untuk mencuba.

Bukanlah sangat kerana bertanding, itu tak penting. Tapi coretan kali ini agak menarik dan saya pingin juga nak lihat cara rerakan lain mendekatinya.

-may-

[Edited at 2008-06-02 18:58]