Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

scie à arbalète

English translation:

crossbow saw

Added to glossary by algtranslator
Mar 13, 2006 04:08
18 yrs ago
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French term

scie à arbalète

French to English Other Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting woodworking
In a presentation detailing new products and their fabrication, the text is explaining the process of inlaying wood. The client uses very precise terminology, but this term isn't used elsewhere and isn't in their glossary.

I know the literal translation (crossbow saw), but does anyone know if there is another term more associated with marquetry?

Thanks.

Discussion

LBMas (asker) Mar 14, 2006:
Wow. Thanks for your perseverance. I'm not convinced that I have the proper English term. Given all of the considerations I have mentioned, I nonetheless am going to roll the dice and submit "crossbow" saw.

Fretsaw = bocfil (jewelry), scie à découper (woodworking)
Jigsaw = scie sauteuse, scie à chantourner (wood)
Scroll saw = scie à découper ou à chantourner

Fretsaw, jigsaw, and scroll saw seem to be more or less synonymous (per GDT) and mainly apply to the wood industry. For marquetry and jewelry, it appears that there is also a finer version of a fretsaw (bocfil).

On the Poisson website, they distinguished between a bocfil and a scie à arbalète. So, if I learn differently, I'll make a note.

In the meantime, mille fois merci.

LBMas (asker) Mar 13, 2006:
make that: call in to him.
LBMas (asker) Mar 13, 2006:
Oops...another detail For more context, I should have said "une scie à arbalète actionnée au pied," which supports Sue's picture and the fact that is a machine. On the website mentioned by Janet and Bourth, it is translated as a crossbow saw, but as it is a French company, I think it too is a translation into English. If you back-translate the other options, they all have specific names in French. My father-in-law is a former woodworker, so I have a call into him. Who knew.... ;)
LBMas (asker) Mar 13, 2006:
I appreciate everyone's help. I've checked out many marquetry sites in English. Fretsaw and one other (it was a long night) is often mentioned. But, as I said, this company is very particular about proper industry terminology. Bourth, if you have easy access to a local source, that would be great. Otherwise I'll keep hunting.

Proposed translations

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crossbow saw

crossbow saw... Good luck LBMas

Furniture, French - [ Traduire cette page ]... DES BEAUX-ARTS DE MONTRÉAL), combine with arbalète (crossbow), serpentine or ... decoration expressed through the complex techniques of marquetry and ormolu. ...
tceplus.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0003118 - 20k
Peer comment(s):

agree sporran : ref: http://www.franceantiq.fr/fourni/poisson/UK.asp
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merci sporran
agree xuebai
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thank you
neutral Cervin : I understand from talking to an amatuer carpenter that a cross bow (in UK English) is a huge saw used by 2 men to saw logs..I'm still looking for inlay/marquetry ideas for you...
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neutral Christopher Crockett : A perfect, literal translation. Try going into any hardware store in the U.S. (or even the U.K.) and asking for a "crossbow saw".
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agree IC --
1 day 6 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "As I said in my notes -- I'm not convinced this is the best English term, but it seems safest to go with a literal translation here. Thank you for your quick reply."
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arc saw

Maybe this?
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fretsaw

Fretsaw: A fine (about 1/32") saw used to cut veneer into decorative shapes. ... Mitre: Joint between two veneers, often in borders of marquetry pictures at ...
www.marquetry.org/glossary.htm
It could be this?

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Note added at 6 hrs (2006-03-13 10:37:00 GMT)
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Except that 'scie à arbalète isnt the translation given in the huge Collins/Robert dictionary (Fr/Eng).... for fretsaw...I'm still searching

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Note added at 10 hrs (2006-03-13 14:41:19 GMT)
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Thanks Chjristopher. I was also thinking of handwork. Even so you couldnt translate this term as 'crossbow' in UK English surely could you it would give the wrong idea! I'm going to keep looking.
Peer comment(s):

agree Christopher Crockett : This works. Or *would* work, were it not for the pic on Sue's site: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/inventai/presenta/visites... I was thinking of handwork; this is a power, production tool, obviously.
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agree IC --
1 day 35 mins
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fretsaw/coping saw

one or the other for marquetry, not sure which though :°)

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Note added at 10 hrs (2006-03-13 14:42:08 GMT)
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the one in the photo is a bandsaw

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Note added at 10 hrs (2006-03-13 14:43:52 GMT)
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.. or a jigsaw (seriously)
Peer comment(s):

agree Christopher Crockett : I'm not sure of the distinction, either. "Fretsaw" is a bit more technical, i think.
3 hrs
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reciprocating power fretsaw

Sue Levy's site shows us a picture of one:

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/inventai/presenta/visites...

Which is of a machine I've never seen before.

Since we're having trouble finding a convincing English page for it, I'd suggest "reciprocating power fretsaw".

I'ts a fretsaw (as opposed to a bandsaw) and the large bow acts as a spring, allowing the stiff, vertical blade to go up and down (reciprocating).

As far as I can see, the only advantage of this machine over a bandsaw is that it uses a blade which is much more simple (just a straight piece of metal), whereas a bandsaw is a large circle --much more expensive to make (and buy, when they break).

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My guess would be that this kind of saw has a long history (in France --check Diderot), before the technology was in place to make bandsaw blades.

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Note to LBMas:

"For more context, I should have said 'une scie à arbalète actionnée au pied,' "

Yes, this is probably what you might find in Diderot (if, indeed, he illustrates such a tool).

"which supports Sue's picture"

Well, the one in Sue's link is, clearly, a giant one, for serious industrial production work.

"On the website mentioned by Janet and Bourth, it is translated as a crossbow saw, but as it is a French company, I think it too is a translation into English.

My thought exactly.

OtOh, it since we are dealing with what appears to be a tool which is associated with the French, it may well be that the literal translation is used --it's just that I've never heard of the term.

"My father-in-law is a former woodworker, so I have a call into him. Who knew.... ;)"

What!?

You mean you married the guy without knowing his background?


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"foot powered reciprocating fretsaw"

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if all else fails

Would you like me to ring M.-H. Poisson and ask what it is exactly? His/Her site refers to a "scie à arbalète" in French and translates it as " 'crossbow' saw", which I suspect is not the right term, but they could at least tell us what the thing looks like.

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Otherwise there's a couple of marqueteurs d'art locally, in the Yellow Pages, who would undoubtedly take great delight in sharing their knowledge (people usually do).

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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-03-13 19:06:46 GMT)
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GOT IT! SCROLL SAW

Had thought of this earlier, but not knowing what a scie à arbalète is was not prepared to suggest it.

I rang a local marqueteur whose description matches the photo found by Sue.

A specialized tool for CUTTING INTRICATE DESIGNS AND PATTERNS IN THINNER STOCK. The scroll saw leaves a lustrous finish on the sawn edges which usually requires no sanding if using the proper blade. The scroll saw is very pleasurable to operate. The wide throat opening allows the work piece to be constantly repositioned to follow the tight curves of fretwork, marquetry and puzzles. The scroll saw size is determined by the distance between the blade and the upright support for the upper arm. A 16 inch scroll saw will allow 16 inches of wood to pass between the blade and the upper arm support.
http://www.toolcenter.com/dscroll.html
Picture of small one at http://www.toolcenter.com/8354sl.html

Scroll Saw An electric scroll saw is one of those tools that you can easily do without, but once used, there is no going back. We use a Hegner saw.
http://www.artmarquetry.com/glossary.htm

scroll saw (or jigsaw)
Freehand curve-cutting machine (along with the band saw) with FINE-TOOTH BLADES THAT CAN CUT INTRICATE PATTERNS and SMOOTH EDGES IN THINNER STOCK. Operates with little vibration, quick blade changes and easy-to-operate clamps. Is stationary, as opposed to a sabre saw, which is portable
http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/remodeling/article/0,1797,HGTV_3659... [with picture]

Scroll saw
The scroll saw is one of the easiest power bench tools to use. They are well suited for detailed work such as CUTTING INTRICATE PATTERNS. The narrow wide of the blade allows it to make tighter turns and much smoother cuts than its larger cousin the band saw. It also has the ABILITY TO HAVE THE BLADE THREADED THROUGH THE WORK PIECE FOR INTERIOR CUTS - it is the ONLY BENCH TOP POWER TOOL THAT CAN DO THIS.
http://www.sears.ca/e/info/tools/tglossar.html


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Note added at 15 hrs (2006-03-13 19:08:37 GMT)
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The local guy said it is LARGE saw, like the one in Sue's photo, presumably, rather than the pictures in my references, but I think that changes nothing regarding the name.

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Hegner scroll saws (referred to above) are called "scie à chantourner" by their Swiss manufacturer.
Peer comment(s):

agree Dr Sue Levy (X) : it looks like this: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/inventai/presenta/visites... It's a traditional tool - probably replaced by something smaller!
11 mins
agree Christopher Crockett : Sue's link shows a picture of something i've never seen. A "reciprocating fretsaw", perhaps.
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