Jul 5, 2010 07:21
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Russian term
United Kingdom
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Native in: Russian (Variants: Standard-Lithuania, Standard-Russia) 
Works in: English to Russian, Lithuanian to Russian, Russian to English, and 3 more.
канцелярия министерства
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Добрый день!
Можно ли перевести это как chancellery of the ministry? Есть ли более подходящий вариант?
Контекст:
С целью надзора за производством работ образовали особый строительный комитет под председательством директора ***канцелярии Министерства***.
Заранее спасибо.
Можно ли перевести это как chancellery of the ministry? Есть ли более подходящий вариант?
Контекст:
С целью надзора за производством работ образовали особый строительный комитет под председательством директора ***канцелярии Министерства***.
Заранее спасибо.
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Rachel Douglas
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: English (Variants: Australian, US, British)
Works in: Russian to English
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the ministry's chancellery
Excuse me for searching out an exact match for your sentence, but it provides crucial context that you didn't mention: it's talking about a Russian ministry in 1901. While "chancellery" in modern English is normally used regarding embassies and consulates, historians writing in English about Tsarist Russian government institutions routinely call these offices "the chancellery" of a given ministry.
If the link works, this Google Books search for /Russia "ministry's chancellery"/ shows a lot of examples:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbs=bks:1&q=Russia "minis...
The Reichman book appears to be talking about the same ministry you have, and Harcave's translation of Count Witte's memoirs has your phrase "director of the ministry's chancellery."
I see, though, that your original has the name of the ministry squeezed in there, so you'd say "director of the Railway Ministry's chancellery" ... in an effort to avoid having a piles of possessive "of the" phrases in a row.
If the link works, this Google Books search for /Russia "ministry's chancellery"/ shows a lot of examples:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbs=bks:1&q=Russia "minis...
The Reichman book appears to be talking about the same ministry you have, and Harcave's translation of Count Witte's memoirs has your phrase "director of the ministry's chancellery."
I see, though, that your original has the name of the ministry squeezed in there, so you'd say "director of the Railway Ministry's chancellery" ... in an effort to avoid having a piles of possessive "of the" phrases in a row.
Note from asker:
| Rachel, thanks a lot! Indeed, it was my mistake not to mention that this was a Tsarist ministry. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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Saidabbos Mahmudov
Uzbekistan
Uzbekistan
Native in Russian
Specializes in field
Uzbekistan
My quality & speed is all you'll need
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, English to French, Russian to English, and 5 more.
Ministerial Office
Согласно словарю www.multitran.ru под термин "канцелярия" больше всего подходит английский термин "office"
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Термин, который Вы указали в Вашем примере, то есть "chancellery" больше всего подходит к посольственному или консульскому канцелярскому отделению.
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Термин, который Вы указали в Вашем примере, то есть "chancellery" больше всего подходит к посольственному или консульскому канцелярскому отделению.
Peer comment(s):
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David Knowles
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Alexandra Taggart
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S_Marta
: "chancellery" - это когда "Его Величества" (канцелярия), например
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Alexander Ryshow
Belarus
Belarus
Native in Russian
Belarus
Aus Liebe zur Sprache
Native in: Russian 
, Belarusian
Works in: German to Russian, German to Belarusian, Russian to Belarusian, and 3 more.
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4
chancellery of the ministry (Ваш вариант)
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ArcheoBiblioBase: Archives in Russia
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Combined third and fourth periodic reports
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from the Ministry within the framework of the Federal Chancellery to the Ministry of Social Security and. Generations and that it has set up an ...
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A working meeting on this theme was held at the Chancellery of the Prime Minister, with participation of representatives of the government and ...
ratujemypolskieszpitale.org/english/.../index.html - Сохраненная копия
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ArcheoBiblioBase: Archives in Russia
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1 Jun 2010... and also the Chancellery of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Empire. In October 1992 the archive was renamed AVPRI, ...
www.iisg.nl/abb/rep/C-3.tab1.php - Сохраненная копия - Похожие
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News from Austria 2009 : Federal Chancellery of Austria
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The responsibilities for sport are transferred from the Federal Chancellery to the Ministry of Defence led by Minister Norbert Darabos. ...
www.austria.gv.at/site/.../default.aspx - Сохраненная копия - Похожие
[PDF]
Combined third and fourth periodic reports
- [ Перевести эту страницу ]
Формат файлов: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Быстрый просмотр
from the Ministry within the framework of the Federal Chancellery to the Ministry of Social Security and. Generations and that it has set up an ...
www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cedaw/docs/AustriaCO23_en.pdf
Peer comment(s):
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Ellen Kraus
: это, прежде всего ведомство канцлера или здание где работает канцлер и его подчинтённые
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the Office of the Department
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or the Office of the Ministry — http://www.google.com/search?q="the Office of the Minis...
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or the Office of the Ministry — http://www.google.com/search?q="the Office of the Minis...
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Ellen Kraus
Austria
Austria
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Austria
more than thirty years of experience
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12
registry or clerical office of the ministry
i´d suggest
2 hrs
administrative office
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Example sentence:
This afternoon I searched the Parliament of New South Wales web site and the documents in the administrative office.
2 hrs
"chancery" or "administrative office"; even "business office" (if slightly misleading)
(It is wise to visit the website of the given embassy, or telephone them.)
Note from asker:
| Thanks. It's a (19th century) ministry, not embassy though. |
3 hrs
Michael Kislov
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
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Russian Federation
Legal & Financial since 1999
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Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian
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2
Secretariat of the Ministry (Department)
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Yahoo:
"secretariat of the ministry" - 24,500 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p="secretariat of the ministr...
"secretariat of the department" - 9,480 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7697sjFMvyEB6FNXNyoA...
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Ministerial Office
погуглите и посмотрите - это переводится как "должность министра"!
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"administrative office of the ministry" - 160 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7_t2szFMLUEBwjFXNyoA...
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"chancery of the ministry" - 35 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geupTOszFMpz0BKX5XNyoA...
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"clerical office of the ministry" - 1 hit
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu17SszFMpDMBToRXNyoA...
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"chancellery of the ministry" - 76 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuowWtDFMOSsBsh9XNyoA...
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Словарь Oxford (в Лингво)
Secretariat:
1) a permanent administrative office or department, esp. a governmental one ■ [treated as sing. or pl.]
2) the staff working in such an office
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Yahoo:
"secretariat of the ministry" - 24,500 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p="secretariat of the ministr...
"secretariat of the department" - 9,480 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7697sjFMvyEB6FNXNyoA...
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Ministerial Office
погуглите и посмотрите - это переводится как "должность министра"!
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-07-05 10:28:24 GMT)
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"administrative office of the ministry" - 160 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7_t2szFMLUEBwjFXNyoA...
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"chancery of the ministry" - 35 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geupTOszFMpz0BKX5XNyoA...
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"clerical office of the ministry" - 1 hit
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu17SszFMpDMBToRXNyoA...
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"chancellery of the ministry" - 76 hits
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuowWtDFMOSsBsh9XNyoA...
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Словарь Oxford (в Лингво)
Secretariat:
1) a permanent administrative office or department, esp. a governmental one ■ [treated as sing. or pl.]
2) the staff working in such an office
Reference comments
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Susan Welsh
United States
United States
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United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
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36
Reference:
Chancellery is fine in certain circumstances
See references. The word would not be used in American English in a government context, but for BE it could be.
Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot! |
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