Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento
English translation:
to which renvoi is applied, form part of the constituent process of the proceedings
Added to glossary by
Adrian MM. (X)
Aug 11, 2013 01:43
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Spanish term
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se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento
Spanish to English
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Nice!
Esta libertad de la administración es la que permite la llamada “motivación aliunde” antes referida y que puede definirse
como “aquella que se logra mediante la referencia a los motivos contenidos en otros actos; cuando tales actos a los cuales se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento, tales como los dictámenes de un órgano consultivo, las reposiciones de los interesados…
http://www.mp.gob.ve/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=2995...
Your suggestions are appreciated!
Esta libertad de la administración es la que permite la llamada “motivación aliunde” antes referida y que puede definirse
como “aquella que se logra mediante la referencia a los motivos contenidos en otros actos; cuando tales actos a los cuales se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento, tales como los dictámenes de un órgano consultivo, las reposiciones de los interesados…
http://www.mp.gob.ve/c/document_library/get_file?p_l_id=2995...
Your suggestions are appreciated!
Proposed translations
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| 3 | to which reference-back is made, end up part of the constituent process of the proceedings |
Adrian MM. (X)
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| 2 +3 | are cross-referenced they become fully incorporated into the proceedings |
Sandro Tomasi
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Aug 16, 2013 15:10: Adrian MM. (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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to which reference-back is made, end up part of the constituent process of the proceedings
reenvío also means renvoi in PIL/private international law a.k.a. conflict of laws - which seems to have escaped everyone's attention.
Incorporation by reference in UK law applies to terms of business incorporated by ref. into a contract or of extraneous documents into a Will pre-probate (E&W) or pre-confirmation (Scots law).
procedimiento: first instance could mean process or procedure and the second (deliberate) instance the proceedings, the overlapping Spanish wording not making any distinction.
PLEASE - no clique voting for a change!
Incorporation by reference in UK law applies to terms of business incorporated by ref. into a contract or of extraneous documents into a Will pre-probate (E&W) or pre-confirmation (Scots law).
procedimiento: first instance could mean process or procedure and the second (deliberate) instance the proceedings, the overlapping Spanish wording not making any distinction.
PLEASE - no clique voting for a change!
Reference:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/finance_general/4495522-reenv%C3%ADo.html
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Incorporation+by+Reference
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Yvonne Gallagher
: I never do clique voting...I honestly go for what I think is correct. Did you mean back-reference here?
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To be sure. Back-ref.would be literally a retrograde step, and renvoi still seems a runner, even in a constitutional/public law scene.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I wasn't over the moon with my wording but I went with "when such acts where renvoi is applied form part of the constitutive process of the proceeding""
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are cross-referenced they become fully incorporated into the proceedings
Not too sure about “del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento.”
“motivación aliunde” [...] aquella que se logra mediante la referencia a los motivos contenidos en otros actos; cuando tales actos a los cuales se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento,[...]
“aliunde motive” ... is one that is achieved by reference to the grounds contained in other actions; when such actions are cross-referenced they become fully incorporated into the proceedings,...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-08-11 03:58:54 GMT)
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Also:
they become part of the proceedings at hand
they become part of the instant case
“motivación aliunde” [...] aquella que se logra mediante la referencia a los motivos contenidos en otros actos; cuando tales actos a los cuales se hace reenvío forman parte del procedimiento constitutivo del procedimiento,[...]
“aliunde motive” ... is one that is achieved by reference to the grounds contained in other actions; when such actions are cross-referenced they become fully incorporated into the proceedings,...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-08-11 03:58:54 GMT)
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Also:
they become part of the proceedings at hand
they become part of the instant case
Peer comment(s):
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Billh
: Yes, that's certainly the correct meaning. I think I might simply say 'when they are incorporated into the proceedings by reference' but there are no doubt lots of ways of saying this. // In any event I shall desist from piggybacking on other answers.....
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Lots of ways. No doubt. Thank you, Bill.
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Thank you, gallagy.
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Toni Castano
: Correct in general terms, but why "become"? They are already integral part of the proceedings, therefore the convenience of the "cross-reference". // Sandro: Forman parte = they belong, it´s a fact already. Bill´s suggestion is good.
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The only reason I can see is forman parte > they become. However, Bill suggests: “when they are incorporated into the proceedings by reference.” // O.K. Thank you, Toni.
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