Aug 20, 2013 03:15
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Spanish term
Mexico
nulas de nulidad absoluta
Spanish to English
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Law (general)
Isn't this a double negative? Either way, I haven't come up with a neat way to phrase it.
Artículo 137
El órgano o ente público no podrá aprobar normas para cuya resolución sea competente, ni remitir a otra instancia proyectos normativos que no sean consultados, de conformidad con el artículo anterior. Las normas que sean aprobadas por los órganos o entes públicos o propuestas por éstos a otras instancias serán nulas de nulidad absoluta si no han sido consultadas según el procedimiento previsto en el presente Título.
http://www.ventanalegal.com/leyes/ley_organica_administracio...
I have seen literal translations (from the French, "nulle de nullité absolue") but I'm not convinced.
Your suggestions are appreciated!
Artículo 137
El órgano o ente público no podrá aprobar normas para cuya resolución sea competente, ni remitir a otra instancia proyectos normativos que no sean consultados, de conformidad con el artículo anterior. Las normas que sean aprobadas por los órganos o entes públicos o propuestas por éstos a otras instancias serán nulas de nulidad absoluta si no han sido consultadas según el procedimiento previsto en el presente Título.
http://www.ventanalegal.com/leyes/ley_organica_administracio...
I have seen literal translations (from the French, "nulle de nullité absolue") but I'm not convinced.
Your suggestions are appreciated!
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void/null and void/void ab initio
In common law systems we use these terms to describe something which is void from the outset - the case here - roughly nulidad absoluta
We contrast this with VOIDABLE - which means it is valid unless voided - roughly equivalent to nulidad relativa
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(law)
"Black's Law Dictionary defines "void" as:[1]
Void. Null; ineffectual; nugatory; having no legal force or binding effect; unable, in law, to support the purpose for which it was intended.
The dictionary further goes on to define void ab initio as:[citation needed]
Void ab initio. A contract is null from the beginning if it seriously offends law or public policy in contrast to a contract which is merely voidable at the election of one of the parties to the contract."
There is a rough equivalent in civil law systems with nulidad relativa and nulidad absoluta
"La nulidad relativa es cuando la ilicitud en el objeto del acto jurídico es considerada como subsanable por la ley y la absoluta no.
En la teoría clásica de las nulidades se considera que la nulidad absoluta se caracteriza de ser:
1. Imprescriptible (no hay plazo [tiempo límite] para reclamarla).
2. Inconfirmable (no hay forma de hacer que sea valido)
3. Susceptible de intentarse por cualquier interesado.
Ejemplo: en el código civil para el DF, el matrimonio existiendo parentesco por consanguinidad en linea colateral igual hasta en segundo grado (en otras palabras, Juan se casa con Esmeralda y son hemanos, su matrimonio está viciado de nulidad absoluta, ya que no hay forma de arreglar ese impedimento, no importa cuanto tiempo haya pasado y cualquiera que tenga interés legal puede solicitar la nulidad)
En cuanto a la nulidad relativa se caracteriza por ser:
1. Prescriptible (hay un plazo para demandar la acción de nulidad).
2. Confirmable (si se pueden llevar a cabo actos tendientes a subsana la deficiencia).
3. Sólo se le concede acción a la parte perjudicada (es el único que puede demandar la nulidad).
http://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2011111317545...
We contrast this with VOIDABLE - which means it is valid unless voided - roughly equivalent to nulidad relativa
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(law)
"Black's Law Dictionary defines "void" as:[1]
Void. Null; ineffectual; nugatory; having no legal force or binding effect; unable, in law, to support the purpose for which it was intended.
The dictionary further goes on to define void ab initio as:[citation needed]
Void ab initio. A contract is null from the beginning if it seriously offends law or public policy in contrast to a contract which is merely voidable at the election of one of the parties to the contract."
There is a rough equivalent in civil law systems with nulidad relativa and nulidad absoluta
"La nulidad relativa es cuando la ilicitud en el objeto del acto jurídico es considerada como subsanable por la ley y la absoluta no.
En la teoría clásica de las nulidades se considera que la nulidad absoluta se caracteriza de ser:
1. Imprescriptible (no hay plazo [tiempo límite] para reclamarla).
2. Inconfirmable (no hay forma de hacer que sea valido)
3. Susceptible de intentarse por cualquier interesado.
Ejemplo: en el código civil para el DF, el matrimonio existiendo parentesco por consanguinidad en linea colateral igual hasta en segundo grado (en otras palabras, Juan se casa con Esmeralda y son hemanos, su matrimonio está viciado de nulidad absoluta, ya que no hay forma de arreglar ese impedimento, no importa cuanto tiempo haya pasado y cualquiera que tenga interés legal puede solicitar la nulidad)
En cuanto a la nulidad relativa se caracteriza por ser:
1. Prescriptible (hay un plazo para demandar la acción de nulidad).
2. Confirmable (si se pueden llevar a cabo actos tendientes a subsana la deficiencia).
3. Sólo se le concede acción a la parte perjudicada (es el único que puede demandar la nulidad).
http://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2011111317545...
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Rosa Paredes
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absolutely null
It's what I've used in a similar context. Saludos.
www.eurofound.europa.eu › ... › EMIRE › BELGIUM › Letter N
A distinction is made between absolute and relative nullity. Nullity is absolute when there is contravention of a rule of law relating to public order, i.e. involving ...
research.lawyers.com › Understand Your Legal Issue › Legal Dictionary
Get the legal definition of Absolute nullity on Lawyers.com, the #1 destination for consumers to find a lawyer.
legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=109289
Art. 2030. Absolute nullity of contracts. A contract is absolutely null when it violates a rule of public order, as when the object of a contract is illicit or immoral.
books.google.ca/books?isbn=9041124667
George A. Bermann, Etienne Picard - 2008 - Law
Relative or Absolute Nullity The distinction between relative and absolute nullity may roughly be compared with the English notions of void and voidable ...
www.eurofound.europa.eu › ... › EMIRE › BELGIUM › Letter N
A distinction is made between absolute and relative nullity. Nullity is absolute when there is contravention of a rule of law relating to public order, i.e. involving ...
research.lawyers.com › Understand Your Legal Issue › Legal Dictionary
Get the legal definition of Absolute nullity on Lawyers.com, the #1 destination for consumers to find a lawyer.
legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=109289
Art. 2030. Absolute nullity of contracts. A contract is absolutely null when it violates a rule of public order, as when the object of a contract is illicit or immoral.
books.google.ca/books?isbn=9041124667
George A. Bermann, Etienne Picard - 2008 - Law
Relative or Absolute Nullity The distinction between relative and absolute nullity may roughly be compared with the English notions of void and voidable ...
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totally discarded/rejected
I woud suggest
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or: totally ruled out
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or: regarded as totally inadmissible/invalid
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or: null and void
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Note added at 10 mins (2013-08-20 03:26:27 GMT)
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or: totally ruled out
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Note added at 13 mins (2013-08-20 03:29:03 GMT)
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or: regarded as totally inadmissible/invalid
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Note added at 46 mins (2013-08-20 04:02:05 GMT)
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or: null and void
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Sandro Tomasi
: Your answers, equivocal in meaning, get better with age.
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AllegroTrans
: it may be the result, but this is not the term used in legal speak
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rendered... "null and void"
Matches in intent and legalese. Legal term,(see 1st link),
both words are there to ensure that their is no ambiguity. This practice dates from medieval law I believe, "cease and desist" is another example of this "belt and braces" approach in the legal system.
See 2nd link for this point.
both words are there to ensure that their is no ambiguity. This practice dates from medieval law I believe, "cease and desist" is another example of this "belt and braces" approach in the legal system.
See 2nd link for this point.
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vitiated from the outset by absolute nullity
I daren't write vitiated ab initio in case someone accuses me of plagiarism cf. trespass ab initio e.g. when someone gatecrashes the Miss World competition.
Vitiated is a way round the double 'voidness'.
Vitiated is a way round the double 'voidness'.
Example sentence:
a mortgage registration which, under the relevant national law, is vitiated from the outset by absolute and incurable nullity such as to render that registration non-existent.
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AllegroTrans
: incurable and absolute nullity, to rub it in a tad
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Thx. Incurable is what the Spanish for insanable in the eur-lex web ref. and FHS Bridge's FR>EN equiv. French entry says. But I wanted to keep the answer short.
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Null!.Of absolute nullity.
null and void.
Discussion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(la