May 29, 2014 14:30
9 yrs ago
Spanish term
Spain
Especialista de marketing
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
que organizaba
Spanish to English
Other
Government / Politics
Unsure as to what ' que organizaba' is referring to. Different use of the verb 'organizar' (organise)?
La idea de “Europa de las regiones” se disolvió, sobre todo, cuando se constató la gran fragmentación de visiones e intereses **que organizaba**, pero también cuando quedó claro que a) los Estados no se estaban vaciando de poder; b) la participación en políticas de la UE no empoderaba a los gobiernos no centrales ni reforzaba la tendencia descentralizadora o federalista;
La idea de “Europa de las regiones” se disolvió, sobre todo, cuando se constató la gran fragmentación de visiones e intereses **que organizaba**, pero también cuando quedó claro que a) los Estados no se estaban vaciando de poder; b) la participación en políticas de la UE no empoderaba a los gobiernos no centrales ni reforzaba la tendencia descentralizadora o federalista;
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17 mins
Virginia Koolhaas
Uruguay
Uruguay
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Uruguay
Finance, Legal, Intl Org
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Latin American) 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, Spanish, and 1 more.
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8
Selected
that created/generated
My interpretation is that "organizaba" is being used as a synonym for "creaba/generaba".
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
8 mins
Helene Lyons
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
High Quality, Clear and Accurate
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English, English to Spanish
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4
that headed it, that organised it
that headed it, that organised it
12 mins
Marina Ilari
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
United States
ATA Certified English-Spanish Translator
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
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:
8
that organized
It's speaking about organizing interests, that's a common concept in european political science and comparative political economy, and the verb "organizar" ("intereses organizados") it's the verb organise, there's no trick here.
http://corinto.pucp.edu.pe/peypp/sites/corinto.pucp.edu.pe.p...
Why do organized interests lobby? Answering this seemingly obvious question
has become surprisingly difficult in light of recent research.
http://www.unc.edu/~fbaum/teaching/Misc/Baumgartner_Basic_In...
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/798136?uid=2&uid=4&sid...
http://corinto.pucp.edu.pe/peypp/sites/corinto.pucp.edu.pe.p...
Why do organized interests lobby? Answering this seemingly obvious question
has become surprisingly difficult in light of recent research.
http://www.unc.edu/~fbaum/teaching/Misc/Baumgartner_Basic_In...
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/798136?uid=2&uid=4&sid...
+1
41 mins
Tayssir Azouz
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
A goal without a plan is just a wish.
Native in: French (Variants: Swiss, African, Belgian, Standard-France) , English
Works in: English to French, Catalan to French, Spanish to French, and 3 more.
that it generated
Ideas generate/create situations, things, etc.
+2
6 mins
had come together
Moliner: "Formarse espontáneamente en una reunión de gente una cosa organizada".
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Note added at 43 mins (2014-05-29 15:14:13 GMT)
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Sorry Lisa
"when the high fragmentation of views/visions and interests which had come together, was found/noted"
"when it was noted that the views/visions and interests which had come together were highly fragmented"
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Note added at 45 mins (2014-05-29 15:15:53 GMT)
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What I dislike about the other suggestions is that this was a spontaneous self-organization. Nothing was "organized"!
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Sorry Lisa
"when the high fragmentation of views/visions and interests which had come together, was found/noted"
"when it was noted that the views/visions and interests which had come together were highly fragmented"
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Note added at 45 mins (2014-05-29 15:15:53 GMT)
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What I dislike about the other suggestions is that this was a spontaneous self-organization. Nothing was "organized"!
Note from asker:
| Thanks, DL, but I don't see how this works in the sentence - ' had come together' refers to what exactly - the fragmentation of interests, etc.? |
Peer comment(s):
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Chris Maddux
: "that" had come together
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That Chris. Yes, the "that" is necessary.
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liz askew
: your sentence in English is contradictory:the views/visions and interests which had come together were highly fragmented"
1 hr
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"There was a spontaneous self-organization of people/groups with diverse visions and interests. These naturally were not cohesive and in fact were highly fragmented." Nobody ORGANIZED anything, like Topsy, it just growed!
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neilmac
: Yes, a bunch of disparate regional bodies gravitated towards it, birds of a feather...
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Thanks neilmac
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1 hr
that was taking shape
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1...
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in the sense of
forming
formate - Diccionario Inglés-Español WordReference.com
www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen...
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formar⇒ vtr, (organizar, crear, constituir) construct, make, form vtr ... cambiar de forma, change shape, change style, change type ... tomar forma, take shape.
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or
was occurring
my understanding of course
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in the sense of
forming
formate - Diccionario Inglés-Español WordReference.com
www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen...
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formar⇒ vtr, (organizar, crear, constituir) construct, make, form vtr ... cambiar de forma, change shape, change style, change type ... tomar forma, take shape.
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or
was occurring
my understanding of course
2 hrs
John Farebrother
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
LAWYER-LINGUIST, ACCREDITED INTERPRETER
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English, Dutch to English, German to English, and 18 more.
resulting
resulting spectrum of divering views and interests
3 hrs
Wilsonn Perez Reyes
El Salvador
El Salvador
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
El Salvador
BA in Translation & BA in Law
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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36
involved
The way I see it as a native speaker of Spanish.
You could also say ("los intereses que organizaba"):
- los intereses en juego
- los intereses implicados
- los intereses afectados
...the great fragmentation of views and the interests involved...
fragmentation of views
Likewise, a review of current legislative proposals highlights a great ***fragmentation of views*** within this debate.
http://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-1774577351/the-ci...
interests involved
The first basic difference: The nature of the ***interests involved***.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131525/
You could also say ("los intereses que organizaba"):
- los intereses en juego
- los intereses implicados
- los intereses afectados
...the great fragmentation of views and the interests involved...
fragmentation of views
Likewise, a review of current legislative proposals highlights a great ***fragmentation of views*** within this debate.
http://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-1774577351/the-ci...
interests involved
The first basic difference: The nature of the ***interests involved***.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131525/
4 hrs
that (had) coalesced..
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coalesce
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= the disparity of views/visions and interests that gravitated towards it...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2014-05-29 18:40:33 GMT)
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And "coalesced around it" gets 308,000 hits on Google....
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= the disparity of views/visions and interests that gravitated towards it...
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And "coalesced around it" gets 308,000 hits on Google....
2 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
:
468
that it encompass
My understanding.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2014-05-29 20:48:52 GMT)
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I meant to say 'encompassed'!!
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Note added at 6 hrs (2014-05-29 20:48:52 GMT)
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I meant to say 'encompassed'!!
Discussion
is it "la idea de Europa de las regiones", or "la gran fragmentación".