Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

hired hand

English answer:

in the hands of (as painted by)

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Dec 23, 2014 09:20
9 yrs ago
English term

hired hand

English Other History
, for in fact Italian Romanesque art may be said to reach its conclusion in the hired hand of Old Masters from the duecnto and recent such as Ducky di Buoninsegna (c1255 -1319) - drawing cards of the conservative Sienese School of painting
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Dec 23, 2014 09:33: B D Finch changed "Field (specific)" from "Architecture" to "History"

Discussion

Tony M Dec 23, 2014:
English I also note 'card', which is surely 'cartoon' — presumably coming from a language (like FR) where it might be 'carton'.

I suspect the 'hired' bit probably implies that (now famous) Old Masters were commissioned to produce works — i.e. presumably Romanesque art was sufficiently important that it attracted the top talents of its time.
ahmadwarshal (asker) Dec 23, 2014:
YES YOU ARE RIGHT, THE TEXT WRITTEN IN BAD ENGLISH
B D Finch Dec 23, 2014:
Oh Ducky! I think you mean Duccio di Buoninsegna! There are various other errors in your text (e.g. "from the duecnto and recent such as").

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in the hands of (as painted by)

you have several typos in your text. it is not "hired hand"

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duecento=13th century

so panted by Old Masters such as the "Duccio (Duke) di Buoninsegna (c.1255-1319) - leader of the conservative Sienese School of painting ..." (see below for text)


http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/history-of-art/romanesque-pa...
In Italy, the period of Romanesque art lasted somewhat longer than in other countries. The rapid development of Romanesque painting, due to direct contact with the East, was intensified by the fact that Byzantine exponents of mosaic art, centred in Rome and elsewhere in the peninsula, were still carrying on their impressive work, which undoubtedly influenced fresco painters. Its continuance is due, moreover, to the late appearance of the Gothic art style, for in fact Italian Romanesque art may be said to reach its conclusion in the hands of Old Masters from the duecento and trecento such as Duccio di Buoninsegna (c.1255-1319) - leader of the conservative Sienese School of painting - the older Florentine painter Cimabue (Cenni di Peppi) (1240-1302) and even perhaps Giotto di Bondone (1267-1337) - all of whom paved the way for the quattrocento Early Renaissance, which emerged in Florence.


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So, basically this is saying that the Romanesque period lasted longer in Italy (as it showed Byzantine influences for far longer) and reached its culmination ("reach its conclusion") in the hands of ... these were considered the last Old Master painters of the Romanesque to Gothic so 13th into 14th centuries (i.e.or pre-Renaissance period)

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typo "paInted" (not "panted":-)
Note from asker:
Thank you very much
Peer comment(s):

agree B D Finch : Well traced! Somebody needs to get a new OCR program.
17 mins
Thanks! Yes indeed, the OCR leaves a lot to be desired...
agree Barbara Carrara : Chapeau to you! / Oh, yes, Happy Hols!
44 mins
Grazie Barbara! And Season's Greetings!
agree Edith Kelly
1 hr
Thanks and Season's Greetings!
agree Charles Davis : // Likewise. And forgot to say: great research!
2 hrs
Thanks Charles:-) and Season's Greetings!//Thank you:-)
agree Sheri P : Well done!
4 hrs
Thanks Sheri and Season's Greetings!
agree acetran
6 hrs
Many thanks and Season's Greetings!
neutral Tony M : I think there may be more to this than meets the eye; I don't believe that 'hired' just got in there by mistake. / But I don't think 'hired hand' would work as such; I just think the notion of 'hired' has a meaning here...
8 hrs
I can't see how you think "hired hand" would fit the register and context? Anyway, Season's Greetings!
agree Phong Le
1 day 22 hrs
Many thanks and Season's Greetings!
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I think hired here means that the masters were paid by a (rich) patron.
2 days 6 hrs
Many thanks! Hope you're enjoying holiday!
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trained hand

t could mean "trained hand" here.
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Thank you very much
Peer comment(s):

neutral B D Finch : Where do you get "trained" from?
16 mins
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paid manual worker

A "hand" means a manual worker and a "hired hand" is a manual worker employed on a more or less short-term basis. Traditionally, in England, hiring was for a period of one year, but I don't know whether this was the case in Italy.

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Given the errors in the text you have posted, I probably should have given a lower level of confidence, because what is meant may well not be "hired hand".
Note from asker:
Thank you very much
Peer comment(s):

neutral Jean-Claude Gouin : 1. You're right about the poor level of English. 2. In my neck of the woods, a 'hired hand' is a paid manual worker whether it's for a day, a week or longer. 3. I just wanted to add my 2 ¢ worth as an excuse to wish you, Barbara, a Merry Christmas ...
2 hrs
Season's greetings to you too! Annual hiring fairs are a thing of the past in England too.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

sorry for Italian reference but Duccio di Buonisegna was Italian. Old Masters where recruited and paid for painting a piece of work as desired by the client, "commissionati" is the Italian word, just like the Cappella Sistina and other masterpieces
Example sentence:

Il 15 aprile 1285 venne commissionata a Duccio la cosiddetta Madonna Rucellai, dalla Compagnia dei Laudesi

Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Edith Kelly : well, at least I can read it. Not sure whether asker can read it.
1 hr
thank you, Edith, and best wishes
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