Jul 23, 2015 14:13
8 yrs ago
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The understanding of the name of place
Hello everyone,
Could anyone help me with the explanation of "Arms" in "The Haverstock Arms"? Is it a specific tradition to say it when it is adopted to describe some places or it can be transliterated as "Haverstock"? Many thanks in advance.
The context is as follow.
Welcome to The Haverstock Hotel, Hampstead, a lovingly restored public house formerly known as The Haverstock Arms, providing very modern, boutique accommodation.
Could anyone help me with the explanation of "Arms" in "The Haverstock Arms"? Is it a specific tradition to say it when it is adopted to describe some places or it can be transliterated as "Haverstock"? Many thanks in advance.
The context is as follow.
Welcome to The Haverstock Hotel, Hampstead, a lovingly restored public house formerly known as The Haverstock Arms, providing very modern, boutique accommodation.
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Terry Richards
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| 5 +5 | [one of the traditional names for a pub) |
Tony M
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Terry Richards
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30 years in IT, Engineering degree.
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coat of arms
"Arms" in a pub name normally means that the pub sign featured a coat of arms. Pubs, like ships and their figureheads, were often named after something that could be drawn because many of their customers couldn't read.
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Jack Doughty
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Tony M
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Alla_K
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Yvonne Gallagher
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writeaway
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Rachel Fell
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[one of the traditional names for a pub)
Pubs in GB have traditionally often been called 'The King's Arms' etc. — it refers to the 'arms' or blazon of the King (etc.) used as their sign.
Here, it is likely that not only is it located in a village/town called Haverstock, but that the name itself is that of a local noble family, and hence, it is their 'coat of arms' that was displayed outside the pub.
As names involving 'Arms' tend to be associated with old-fashioned drinking establishments, it is not unusual nowadays for hotel proprietors keen to emphasize the wholesome, family nature of the establishment to change the name to '... Hotel', thus taking away the possibly unwelcome reference to pubs and booze.
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Note added at 28 minutes (2015-07-23 14:41:08 GMT)
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And yes, you really should consider this to be part of the proper name, and hence not translate it.
Here, it is likely that not only is it located in a village/town called Haverstock, but that the name itself is that of a local noble family, and hence, it is their 'coat of arms' that was displayed outside the pub.
As names involving 'Arms' tend to be associated with old-fashioned drinking establishments, it is not unusual nowadays for hotel proprietors keen to emphasize the wholesome, family nature of the establishment to change the name to '... Hotel', thus taking away the possibly unwelcome reference to pubs and booze.
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Note added at 28 minutes (2015-07-23 14:41:08 GMT)
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And yes, you really should consider this to be part of the proper name, and hence not translate it.
Note from asker:
| Thanks Tony. This is a very good explanation which not only enriches my background knowledge but also guide the way for my translation |
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Tina Vonhof (X)
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Thanks, Tina!
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Alla_K
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Thanks, Alla!
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Shera Lyn Parpia
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Thanks, Shera!
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B D Finch
: But, as far as I know, there was never any Haverstock village, it 's Haverstock Hill, in Hampstead.
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Thanks, B! You're absolutely right, of course — I was answering in too much of a rush! But I do believe there IS a 'Haverstock' family, whose arms these must be.
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Phong Le
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Thanks, Phong Le!
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