Jun 1, 2019 22:01
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Spanish term

Retiro (a Ríos y Quebradas)

Spanish to English Other Environment & Ecology Zoning regulations Colombia
So this is a category that I believe refers to some sort of environmental protection in Colombia. The Medellín Mayor's Office describes it as such:

Retiro a rios y quebradas
Incluye el río Medellín (Aburrá), sus afluentes y los correspondientes retiros a las corrientes naturales de agua comprendidos en el suelo urbano, de expansión urbana y rural. A su vez son la base para la conformación de corredores asociados a las corrientes, que forman la red de conectividad ecológica del territorio.Hace parte del Sistema hidrográfico y del Suelo de protección municipal.

My text says this:
El Plan de Mejoramiento Integral y de Recuperación Ambiental de la Quebrada Juan Bobo se hizo cargo del riesgo natural que implicaba la proliferación de vivienda informal en la ciudad de Medellín. Lo hizo mediante la reubicación de más de 1260 habitantes en sitios de vivienda de alto riesgo y la recuperación de áreas de reserva ambiental y retiros a quebradas.

Discussion

Stuart and Aida Nelson Jun 4, 2019:
retiro - ronda hídrica o hidráulica I asked a cousin who is a cadastral engineer/surveyor in Medellín to explain 'retiros' and this is his answer:

"A la pregunta que hiciste, el término es ronda hídrica o hidráulica. Es un área de especial importancia ecológica; en esas áreas no puedes construir, son de dominio público.
Las áreas se calculan dependiendo del caudal de los ríos. Si es un río pequeño el área es de 10 metros paralelo a lado y lado del río. Si es más grande 20, 30 metros. Va hasta 150 metros en el caso de los ríos más grandes de Colombia. Se busca conservar esas áreas con esos metros que tú tienes a lado y lado de los ríos.
Han habido bastantes casos donde la gente ha construido encima de esas áreas entonces en época de invierno se inundan y han ocurrido históricamente muchos desastres. Entonces esa es la idea de conservar esas áreas sin que se construya nada encima".

Un artículo muy bueno para despejar las dudas":
http://www.cortolima.gov.co./boletines-prensa/qu-ronda-h-dri...

ronda hídrica = riparian corridor
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/geology/531235...
Thomas Walker Jun 3, 2019:
@Stuart & Aida I'm wondering why you didn't look at meaning 2 for "retiro" in the RAE:
2. m. Lugar apartado y distante del concurso y bullicio de la gente.
I think that in our case here, the retiros are places where some (most?) human activities are limited or prohibited. From the ST: "áreas de reserva ambiental y retiros a quebradas"
Stuart and Aida Nelson Jun 3, 2019:
Retiros a corrientes naturales de agua Corresponden en su mayoría a los nacimientos y a las zonas de retiro obligatorio de las quebradas y caños,

CATEGORIA DE SUELO DE PROTECCION CORRESPONDIENTE A RETIROS A CORRIENTES NATURALES DE AGUA.

En el suelo rural, los retiros serán de treinta (30) metros a partir de la cota de máxima inundación, estos retiros estarán destinados a protección boscosa y/o reforestación.

además de las zonas de retiro de las quebradas Las Peñitas
http://cdim.esap.edu.co/BancoMedios/Documentos PDF/eot_esque...

I am beginning to think that retiros might mean here a kind of man-made dams around protected areas.
Stuart and Aida Nelson Jun 3, 2019:
Retiro I think the use of the word retiro is somewhat strange here. However, I am saying this as a non-expert in the field. Maybe an expert would have no problem understand it. I have researched a bit more the meaning of retiro in this context:

RAE- Retiro
retiro
1. m. Acción y efecto de retirarse.
retirar1
1. tr. Apartar o separar a alguien o algo de otra persona o cosa o de un sitio
https://dle.rae.es/?id=WHrxJ2f

This is the only meaning that would fit this context as the other definitions for 'retiro' would not fit the context at all.
Muriel Vasconcellos Jun 2, 2019:
Two different occurrences My choice would be to use my suggestion ('designated areas along river and creek beds') or 'protected areas' in the first instance and narrow it down to 'environmental protection areas' in the second case.

Proposed translations

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Spanish term (edited): retiro a ríos y quebradas
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designated areas along river and creek beds

Based on Taña's research.
Peer comment(s):

agree Stuart and Aida Nelson : Right! I would say 'protected areas'.
7 hrs
Thank you!
agree Thomas Walker : I would also say "protected areas". For the ST here, they are along river and creek beds. The second piece of text provided by the Asker includes "áreas de reserva ambiental y retiros a quebradas". I think the phrase "reserva ambiental" is the key here.
18 hrs
Thanks, Tom!
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rivers and gorges retreats/settlement

Si ¨retiro¨es un sustantivo y se refiere al nombre de lugares.

Sin embargo, podría ser un verbo: retirar/mover/cambiar de residencia/ubicación de personas que viven en la ciudades a áreas/parajes de ríos y quebradas quebradas.
Any way your text might be: settlement at rivers and gorges.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Stuart and Aida Nelson : De acuerdo con retirar, mover, pero no creo que sean 'retreats' or 'settlements' saludos, Aida
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setback

Homes surround the facility on three sides. The greenhouse thus needs relief from the county requirement that marijuana grow operations be at least 150 metres away from sensitive land uses.

In his planning application, Sean Zheng asks for relief from the 150-metre setback requirement. The home closest to the giant greenhouse is 39 feet away. Zheng also needs relief from the requirement that he provide 62 onsite parking spaces.

https://www.simcoereformer.ca/news/local-news/renton-area-gr...

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What is a zoning setback?

A setback is the distance between a structure and a property line, a natural feature, a road right-of-way, and other improvements. In all residential and rural zoning districts, setbacks are required from all property lines and roadways.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=U_ryXKGh...
Peer comment(s):

agree Christian [email protected] : Yo también hubiera puesto un nivel = 3
2 hrs
Pues si! Gracias, Christian!
neutral Stuart and Aida Nelson : Parece ser que también se usa setbacks pero no estoy muy segura :). Saludos desde Inglaterra, Aida
8 hrs
Thinking better, "protected areas" sounds good to me.// Gracias también Aida. Muy importante tener el punto de vista de los colegas nativos en inglés. Son los únicos que pueden despejar nuestras dudas. Saludos desde Ecuador
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[river and creek] outflow areas (protected areas)


Los retiros a las corrientes de agua se refieren a zonas alrededor de los cauces que los
contiene
y en las que se imponen restricciones sobre el uso del suelo y algunas intervenciones antrópicas.

My translation:

Outflows to streams refer to areas around riverbeds that contain them. There are restrictions imposed on land use and some anthropogenic interventions.

http://bdigital.unal.edu.co/5269/1/DA_3815.pdf

Moreover, foam and detritus at the sea surface (their presence, as well as the presence of oil slicks can be considerable in river outflow areas due to anthropogenic inputs as well as to natural production by biological organisms) can contribute directly to determine the sea surface roughness.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260856545_The_Rhine...

and actually most of the creek outflow areas are fairly shallow water until you get out in the center of the channels of the
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/hagg-lake-last-cou...

Different sorts of rivers are likely to have different requirements and priorities, for example differing approaches for a river in a protected area in contrast to a river in a major irrigation or urban area.

The second view is that water quality deterioration may be affected by flow modifications, but are ultimately caused by other non-flow-related activities, such as sewage outflows.
http://assets.wwf.org.uk/downloads/keeping_rivers_alive.pdf


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Upon further research and according to the discussion I change my answer to:

riparian zones (along river and creek margins/beds)

ronda hídrica = riparian zones/ riparian corridor

A riparian zone or riparian area is the interface between land and a river or stream. Riparian is also the proper nomenclature for one of the terrestrial biomes of the Earth. Plant habitats and communities along the river margins and banks are called riparian vegetation, characterized by hydrophilic plants. Riparian zones are important in ecology, environmental resource management, and civil engineering because of their role in soil conservation, their habitat biodiversity, and the influence they have on fauna and aquatic ecosystems, including grasslands, woodlands, wetlands, or even non-vegetative areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riparian_zone
Peer comment(s):

agree Adrian MM. : would also be congenial and conducive to 'squirrels on the Wirral' peninsula// The great honour had been done by the Reds in Madrid last night. Don't tell me the usual story: you are Toffees' or Tranmere Rovers' fans or no fans at all...
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Thank you very much for the honour, greetings from Merseyside, near the Wirral :)// I am a fan of the Reds from Liverpool, they did a great job, Cheers Aida :)
neutral Thomas Walker : I think "protected areas" is right, but not "outflow". For a stream, outlet is probably better rendered by "desembocadura", "desemboca" or even just "boca"' all of which would correspond to English "the mouth of the river".
10 hrs
Thank you Tom, My research lead me to outflows and I am not an expert in this subject but I find it very interesting. Yes, I agree that outlets sounds good. The trouble here is that 'retiros' is a strange word to be used in this context, Cheers, Aida
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Reference comments

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Reference:

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Resumen: Los retiros a las corrientes de agua se refieren a zonas alrededor de los cauces que los contiene y en las que se imponen restricciones sobre el uso del suelo y algunas intervenciones antrópicas. Tradicionalmente se ha normatizado la zona de retiro como una franja definida por líneas paralelas a ambos lados de la corriente y a una distancia predefinida de los bordes del cauce en condiciones de máxima inundación. Para las corrientes naturales, las definición adoptada tiene grandes problemas desde el punto de vista práctico y operativo para la determinación, reglamentación y vigilancia de las áreas de retiro debido a la dinámica de los cauces y su continua transformación, la asimetría de las secciones de los cauces, y a que el alineamiento es de carácter bidimensional.

http://bdigital.unal.edu.co/5269/1/DA_3815.pdf

It seems to refer to riverbanks

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In the following reference, the term has been translated as 'hydrologic flood plains'.

http://bdigital.unal.edu.co/6090/1/No._10-2003-1.pdf
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Adrian MM. : Yes - nowt to do with El Retiro Park in Madrid where English football fans are likely to be battling it out post-match right now.
14 mins
I always feel sorry for the losers! Thank you, Adrian :-)
agree Stuart and Aida Nelson : Helena, no había leído tu referencia y he encontrado el mismo enlace de tu primer entrada.
8 hrs
Thank you, Stuart and Aida, I posted the reference as I don't have time to research the term.
agree JohnMcDove
1 day 16 hrs
Cheers, John! I hope the asker found it useful.
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Reference:

Some references

In this case "quebrada" is "creek", i.e. Juan Bobo Creek.

I think "retiro" is "setback" (buffer zone), but I am not too confident.

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/retiros-de-quebradas... ( found this, but I am not certain that it is an accurate description of "retiro (a ríos y quebradas)", hence my posting as a reference only. You can investigate further, as unfortunately, I don't have time to thoroughly research.


retiros de las quebradas son unas distancias minimas entre la orilla de la quebrada o rio y cualquier otra construccion. Estos retiros se establecen por ley, y su funcion es servir como proteccion a la fuente de agua. Usualmente se siembran arboles, o pasto. Los retiros son parte del espacio público asi como los parques y las plazas, por eso es ilegal ocuparlos o construir en ellos.


https://www.medellin.gov.co/normograma/docs/cto_sgmed_000006...
El Departamento Administrativo de Planeación mediante radicado 201500245392 del 23 de junio de 2015, en comunicación a las Empresas Públicas de Medellín, emitió un concepto acerca de esta clase de intervenciones en los retiros de quebradas, catalogadas como suelo de protección, y fundamentado en las normas del Plan de Ordenamiento territorial de la Ciudad, Acuerdo 48 de 2014, considera factible, la implementación de servicios públicos no convencionales y temporales.

Normograma Municipio de Medellin [CTO_SGMED_0000069_2017]
https://www.medellin.gov.co/.../cto_sgmed_0000069_2017.htm
Asunto: “Factibilidad de intervenciones en viviendas existentes en **retiro de quebrada (suelo de protección)**, para el mejoramiento ambiental de recurso Hídrico ...



http://www.bvsde.paho.org/foro_hispano/Diccionario_de_Constr...
retiro > setback


https://qcode.us/codes/santarosa/view.php?topic=20-3-20_30-2...
Creekside development.
A. Purpose. This Section requires minimum setbacks from waterways for new structures, to provide reasonable protection to owners of riparian property and the public from the hazards of stream bank failures and flooding, while allowing owners of property near waterways reasonable use of and the opportunity to improve their properties consistent with general safety.

B. Applicability. No structure, including buildings of any type, swimming pools, including prefabricated swimming pools, driveways, streets, parking areas, patios, platforms, decks, fences, liquid storage tanks, mobile homes, broken concrete rubble, earth fill or other structural debris fill, or retaining walls, shall be placed within the creekside setbacks required by this Section.

1. Existing structures. An existing, lawfully constructed structure that is located within a setback required by this Section is subject to the requirements for nonconforming structures in Chapter 20-61 (Nonconforming Uses, Structures, and Parcels).

2. Exceptions. This Section shall not apply to:

Storm drainage, erosion control, and creekbank stability improvements that have been approved as required by law by the governmental agencies having jurisdiction over them.

3. Design guidelines. See also Section 4.4 (Creeks, Riparian Corridors, and Storm Drainage) of the City’s Design Guidelines.

C. Definitions. Definitions of the technical terms and phrases used in this Section may be found in Division 7 (Glossary), under “Waterway.”

D. Creekside setback requirements.

1. Waterway with defined bank. The exterior boundary of the setback area on each side of a natural or modified natural waterway shall be 50 feet from the top of the highest bank on that side of the waterway, as determined by the Director. When the bank of a natural or modified natural waterway is steeper than 2.5:1, the exterior setback boundary shall be measured by the projections of a slope of 2.5:1 from the toe of the stream bank to ground level, plus 50 feet. See Figure 3-1.

2. Waterway without defined bank. The exterior boundary of the setback area adjacent to the side of a natural or modified natural waterway, where the top of the stream bank is not defined, shall be 50 feet, measured horizontally, from the established 100-year storm freeboard level. See Figure 3-2.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Muriel Vasconcellos
9 hrs
Thank you.
agree Marco Paz
1 day 5 hrs
Gracias Marco.
agree Stuart and Aida Nelson
1 day 6 hrs
Muchas gracias.
agree JohnMcDove
1 day 15 hrs
Thanks.
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