Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

invites to talk

English answer:

invites / encourages discussion

Added to glossary by Tony M
May 6, 2020 22:11
4 yrs ago
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English term

invites to talk

English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature
Please, is this sentence correct?

"A story that invites to talk with kids about alcohol and drugs"

Thanks in advance,

charles
Responses
3 +6 no, not really
Change log

May 8, 2020 15:59: Tony M Created KOG entry

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no, not really

This construction 'invites + infinitive' isn't really good EN (at least not in EN-GB), but it seems to be increasingly creeping in; I see it a lot in texts written by non-native speakers, or translated (too literally) from other languages (e.g. FR) where this construction is possible.
"Encourages discussion with... about..." might be a more conventional way of expressing it; or even 'invites discussion' (i.e. using a noun instead of a verb)

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Note added at 7 hrs (2020-05-07 05:22:38 GMT)
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I guess the crux of the matter here is that in EN the verb 'to invite' is usually transitive — i.e. requires a direct object: 'to invite someone to (do) something'. Sometimes, it is possible to use 'one', where there is no specific logical direct object. In the type of construction sought here, using a noun (like 'discussion') furnishes the 'missing' direct object; one might argue "why not use a noun like 'talking'?" — but the meaning is subtly different, and arguably might not immediately imply 'two-sided talking' — i.e. 'discussion'.
Peer comment(s):

agree Becca Resnik
30 mins
Thanks, Becca!
agree Taña Dalglish : Agree. I would like to know what "the story" is? Your rendering "Encourages discussion with kids about alcohol and drugs" is perfect, but what comes before and after? Regards and stay safe.
43 mins
Thanks, Taña! Same to you!
agree philgoddard : It's incorrect.
3 hrs
Thanks Phil!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : It's quite simply wrong. "Invites discussion about" would be more common
3 hrs
Thanks, Yvonne!
agree Saro Nova : You might want to say: A story that invites kids to talk about...
7 hrs
Again, that completely changes the meaning: the s/t mentions '[you] talking with kids about...' — nothing per se about 'getting kids to talk to [you]' — though one would of course hope it would be a dialogue!
agree EirTranslations
12 hrs
Thanks, EirT!
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