Dec 28, 2020 09:06
3 yrs ago
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French term
contrepointe
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Manufacturing
Associated with handling small products
NB: also appears with a hyphen, which I believe is the correct spelling!
Appears in various contexts, e.g.:
« [l'actionneur] qui vient mettre en contact les ressorts sur les contrepointes qui sont en appuie sur les [small cylindrical produits]. »
« [operation] se fait sur un effort, l’effort est généré par le ressort entre l’axe moteur et les contrepointes »
Now clearly, this can't be any of the terms already suggested in the glossary, e.g. 'tail-stock' etc., since this is nothing to do with lathes, or even a machine that is in any way similar.
I get the general idea: in both situations, [something] comes to press the [product] against these things — so I am tempted to go for something like 'rear support'. I'm not sure if they are actually 'pointed' or not (the small cylidnrical product is fairly fragile), but the idea may be to locate the round object accurately, so it is held in precisely the right position for the next operation.
Note that I do also elsewhere have 'contre-appui':
« Remonter le [machine element] de X mm pour créer un contre appui »
As far as I can figure out, this is pretty much the same idea: as part of the processing cycle, the [machine element] is briefly raised by a small amount in order to give the rest of the mechanism 'something to push against' — but here again, I'm rather stumped as to how best to express this in EN-US. In this case, there is no circular element involved, as this is simply 2 block-shaped parts of the machine working together.
Appears in various contexts, e.g.:
« [l'actionneur] qui vient mettre en contact les ressorts sur les contrepointes qui sont en appuie sur les [small cylindrical produits]. »
« [operation] se fait sur un effort, l’effort est généré par le ressort entre l’axe moteur et les contrepointes »
Now clearly, this can't be any of the terms already suggested in the glossary, e.g. 'tail-stock' etc., since this is nothing to do with lathes, or even a machine that is in any way similar.
I get the general idea: in both situations, [something] comes to press the [product] against these things — so I am tempted to go for something like 'rear support'. I'm not sure if they are actually 'pointed' or not (the small cylidnrical product is fairly fragile), but the idea may be to locate the round object accurately, so it is held in precisely the right position for the next operation.
Note that I do also elsewhere have 'contre-appui':
« Remonter le [machine element] de X mm pour créer un contre appui »
As far as I can figure out, this is pretty much the same idea: as part of the processing cycle, the [machine element] is briefly raised by a small amount in order to give the rest of the mechanism 'something to push against' — but here again, I'm rather stumped as to how best to express this in EN-US. In this case, there is no circular element involved, as this is simply 2 block-shaped parts of the machine working together.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | tailstock |
MassimoA
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| 3 | counter/thrust bearing |
Johannes Gleim
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| 2 | Routledge Tech. |
Conor McAuley
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Change log
Dec 28, 2020 09:14: Tony M changed "Language pair" from "English to French" to "French to English"
Proposed translations
43 mins
tailstock
In machine tools with rotary work motion, the tip is used to support the piece on the opposite side of the spindle.
4 hrs
Conor McAuley
France
France
Native in English
Works in field
France
Excellence, Expertise & Experience
Native in: English (Variants: Wales / Welsh, UK, Scottish, Irish, British)
Works in: French to English, English
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Routledge Tech.
This is what Routledge Technical says, just for the record (for contre-pointe, with a dash, as you suggested):
CONS MECA: back puppet, backhead, deadhead, footstock, headstock, loose head, loose headstock, sliding headstock, sliding poppet, tailstock
Other entries too for contre-pointe à fourrreau and contre-pointe d'un tour
Maybe this will help.
CONS MECA: back puppet, backhead, deadhead, footstock, headstock, loose head, loose headstock, sliding headstock, sliding poppet, tailstock
Other entries too for contre-pointe à fourrreau and contre-pointe d'un tour
Maybe this will help.
Peer comment(s):
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Thomas Miles
: sounds like a list of insults!
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1 day 9 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
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28
counter/thrust bearing
En musique, le contrepoint rigoureux (souvent appelé contrepoint) est une forme d'écriture musicale qui trouve ses origines avec la polyphonie née au Moyen Âge et qui consiste en la superposition organisée de lignes mélodiques distinctes.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrepoint_rigoureux
In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more musical lines (or voices) which are harmonically interdependent yet independent in rhythm and melodic contour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint
This is surely not what the editor means in terms of technics. Unfortunately we have no description of the machinery with any 'counterpoint'. As Tony describes a configuration with conveyor belts in another question, I ponder/assume some type of support, thrust or counter bearing or hinge.
The gripper-like device 5 is now moved in the closing direction until the upper gripper unit 6 contacts on the rotor 2. The lower gripper unit 7 is then closed, the upper gripper unit 6 being used as a thrust or counter bearing.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7249508B2/en
A thrust bearing is a particular type of rotary bearing. Like other bearings they permanently rotate between parts, but they are designed to support a predominantly axial load.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_bearing
C85N10-150 SMC Pneumatic - C (D) 85-S / T, ISO Cylinder (ISO6432), single acting, single ended piston rod, standard, standard, integr. Counter bearing, 10, 150, extended with spring force, band assembly
https://www.fluid24.eu/c85n10-150-smc-pneumatic-c-d-85-s-t-i...
Conveying elements for Intralogistics
The Rollex - Group with the head office in Germany produces conveyor rollers for technical machines and plants. For more than 40 years Rollex is focused on the production of driven and non-driven, as well as on conical rollers, motor roller and zero pressure system components.
:
Range of counter bearings for tube- and shaft combinations
https://www.rollex-group.com/downloads/rollex_konstruktionsk...
First turn the adjusting screw as far as it will go to decompress the spring and then turn it back again 5 turns in order not to lock the spring counter bearing.
https://docuthek.kromschroeder.com/documents/download.php?la...
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrepoint_rigoureux
In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more musical lines (or voices) which are harmonically interdependent yet independent in rhythm and melodic contour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint
This is surely not what the editor means in terms of technics. Unfortunately we have no description of the machinery with any 'counterpoint'. As Tony describes a configuration with conveyor belts in another question, I ponder/assume some type of support, thrust or counter bearing or hinge.
The gripper-like device 5 is now moved in the closing direction until the upper gripper unit 6 contacts on the rotor 2. The lower gripper unit 7 is then closed, the upper gripper unit 6 being used as a thrust or counter bearing.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7249508B2/en
A thrust bearing is a particular type of rotary bearing. Like other bearings they permanently rotate between parts, but they are designed to support a predominantly axial load.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_bearing
C85N10-150 SMC Pneumatic - C (D) 85-S / T, ISO Cylinder (ISO6432), single acting, single ended piston rod, standard, standard, integr. Counter bearing, 10, 150, extended with spring force, band assembly
https://www.fluid24.eu/c85n10-150-smc-pneumatic-c-d-85-s-t-i...
Conveying elements for Intralogistics
The Rollex - Group with the head office in Germany produces conveyor rollers for technical machines and plants. For more than 40 years Rollex is focused on the production of driven and non-driven, as well as on conical rollers, motor roller and zero pressure system components.
:
Range of counter bearings for tube- and shaft combinations
https://www.rollex-group.com/downloads/rollex_konstruktionsk...
First turn the adjusting screw as far as it will go to decompress the spring and then turn it back again 5 turns in order not to lock the spring counter bearing.
https://docuthek.kromschroeder.com/documents/download.php?la...
Discussion
I was also guessing a little bit and not very sure of my findings accordingly.
Since Conor cited Routledge proposing tailstock and similar denominations, I consulted another technical dictionary and found the following items in details, Mpoma already proposed:
contre-pointe (m. à rectifier) / footstock, tailstock;
~ de centrage (m.outils) / center punch;
~ [fixe] / back center, dead center;
~ réglable / adjustable center;
~ tournante / running tail center, live center;
~ de traversée (ch.de fer) / wing rail of a crossing;
Ernst, Dictionnaire Géneral de la Technique Industrielle
Perhaps this will give you some additional ideas.
So the whole surface opposite the tool (the one including this "contrepointe") would function as "un contre-appui" and this contrepointe" would be only some kind of "positioning pin"
something similar to this steel point
https://ectmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/EXPT110.jpg
Makes sense?
One of these may provide inspiration. Unfortunately I have a suspicion from your text that you are dealing essentially with a neologism here, and you will probably just have to use your vast experience to deduce what they're talking about... from a photo ideally.
I just tried googling ["contre-pointe" "contre-appui"]: some fascinating pictures and diagrams of baffling widgets come up which may also inspire you.
As for 'counterpoint', no, I have not personally encountered this expression used in engineering in this sort of context; I'll take a look...
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/engineering-gene...