Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
propositions relatives imbriquées
English translation:
Nested/Embedded relative clauses
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French term
propositions relatives imbriquées
French to English
Art/Literary
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Do any grammarians know a translation for 'propositions relatives imbriquées', please? It may be that it will be more appropriate to change the example in EN, but it'd be great to know if there's a set translation before deciding on this.
Do any grammarians know a translation for 'propositions relatives imbriquées', please? It may be that it will be more appropriate to change the example in EN, but it'd be great to know if there's a set translation before deciding on this.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | Nested/Embedded relative clauses | Saeed Najmi |
4 +2 | nested relative clauses | liz askew |
3 +1 | embedded relative clauses | Thomas Miles |
3 | Connective (or coordinate) relative clauses | Bokani Hart |
Proposed translations
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Nested/Embedded relative clauses
For the purpose of the translator, the terms ''nesting'' and ''embedding'' can be used interchangeably.
Example sentence:
Nesting is when a clause has another clause embedded inside it.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all answerers, especially @liz askew & @Thomas Miles. It appears overall that the terms nested/embedded are interchangeable in this context."
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Connective (or coordinate) relative clauses
See:
http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2012/03/exploring-co...
http://www.brushup.eu/connective-relative-clauses/#:~:text=C...
http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2012/03/exploring-co...
http://www.brushup.eu/connective-relative-clauses/#:~:text=C...
Peer comment(s):
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SafeTex
: I don't think this is quite the same thing but it's too long to explain why in a comment
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+1
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embedded relative clauses
Une possibilité.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
SafeTex
: I did lingustics at Uni and this is the term we used, which get around 4 times as many ghits so I'd go with this
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Thanks SafeTex.
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+2
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nested relative clauses
http://www.taalportaal.org/taalportaal/topic/link/syntax__Du...
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Note added at 54 mins (2021-01-06 11:21:04 GMT)
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This section discusses relative constructions containing more than one relative clause. The relative clauses in such constructions can be stacked, nested or coordinated. Some examples are given in (362). In example (362a), the two subclauses are stacked: as indicated by the indices, the first relative clause modifies the antecedent student'student', while the second relative clause modifies the sequence student die hiernaast woont'student who lives next door'. Such constructions differ from cases of nesting, illustrated in (362b), where the second relative clause modifies a noun phrase contained in the first relative clause. Both types of construction differ from cases of simple coordination of relative clauses, as in (362c), where each relative clause modifies the same antecedent. As we will see in the following subsections, stacking of relative clauses is fully acceptable only with restrictive relative clauses (as in example (362a)); coordination and nesting are possible both with restrictive and with non-restrictive relative clauses.
Example 362
a. De [[studenti [dieihiernaast woont]]j [diej Engels studeert]] komt uit Japan.
the student who next.door lives who English studies is from Japan
'The student who lives next door who studies English, is from Japan.'
b. De studenti [dieinet een boekj kocht [datj over WO II gaat]] is mijn vriend.
the student who just a book bought which about WW II goes is my friend
'The student who has just bought a book which is about WW II is my friend.'
c. De mani [dieihier net was] en [dieiRussisch sprak] is een bekend schrijver.
the man who here just was and who Russian spoke is a well-known writer
'The man who was just here and who spoke Russian is a well-known writer.'Subsection I will discuss stacking and coordination of relative clauses of the same type. Subsection II will continue by discussing nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses. Subsection III, finally, will consider constructions containing relative clauses of different types, that is, combinations of a restrictive and a non-restrictive relative clause.
I. Stacking and coordination of relative clauses
A. Restrictive relative clauses
B. Non-restrictive relative clauses
II. Nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses
III. Mixed constructions with restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses
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Note added at 5 hrs (2021-01-06 15:42:10 GMT)
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Task B - indirectly nested clauses (i) - relative clauses (RCls)www.lancaster.ac.uk › stylistics › topic7 › 9nesting2
We have now seen that Noun clauses, Adverbial clauses and Prepositional clauses can all be directly nested (embedded) inside main clauses (i.e. comprise a whole SPOCA element within the main clause). We also need to take account of the fact that clauses can be indirectly nested inside main clauses.
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Note added at 54 mins (2021-01-06 11:21:04 GMT)
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This section discusses relative constructions containing more than one relative clause. The relative clauses in such constructions can be stacked, nested or coordinated. Some examples are given in (362). In example (362a), the two subclauses are stacked: as indicated by the indices, the first relative clause modifies the antecedent student'student', while the second relative clause modifies the sequence student die hiernaast woont'student who lives next door'. Such constructions differ from cases of nesting, illustrated in (362b), where the second relative clause modifies a noun phrase contained in the first relative clause. Both types of construction differ from cases of simple coordination of relative clauses, as in (362c), where each relative clause modifies the same antecedent. As we will see in the following subsections, stacking of relative clauses is fully acceptable only with restrictive relative clauses (as in example (362a)); coordination and nesting are possible both with restrictive and with non-restrictive relative clauses.
Example 362
a. De [[studenti [dieihiernaast woont]]j [diej Engels studeert]] komt uit Japan.
the student who next.door lives who English studies is from Japan
'The student who lives next door who studies English, is from Japan.'
b. De studenti [dieinet een boekj kocht [datj over WO II gaat]] is mijn vriend.
the student who just a book bought which about WW II goes is my friend
'The student who has just bought a book which is about WW II is my friend.'
c. De mani [dieihier net was] en [dieiRussisch sprak] is een bekend schrijver.
the man who here just was and who Russian spoke is a well-known writer
'The man who was just here and who spoke Russian is a well-known writer.'Subsection I will discuss stacking and coordination of relative clauses of the same type. Subsection II will continue by discussing nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses. Subsection III, finally, will consider constructions containing relative clauses of different types, that is, combinations of a restrictive and a non-restrictive relative clause.
I. Stacking and coordination of relative clauses
A. Restrictive relative clauses
B. Non-restrictive relative clauses
II. Nesting of restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses
III. Mixed constructions with restrictive and non-restrictive relative clauses
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Note added at 5 hrs (2021-01-06 15:42:10 GMT)
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Task B - indirectly nested clauses (i) - relative clauses (RCls)www.lancaster.ac.uk › stylistics › topic7 › 9nesting2
We have now seen that Noun clauses, Adverbial clauses and Prepositional clauses can all be directly nested (embedded) inside main clauses (i.e. comprise a whole SPOCA element within the main clause). We also need to take account of the fact that clauses can be indirectly nested inside main clauses.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Or overlapping.
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Trouble is I could not find your suggestion
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agree |
Thomas Miles
: This sounds good, but I would still like to propose my own suggestion.
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Fair enough. I tend to go for the researched answer, especially as this is not my area
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Discussion
It's referring to this grammatical phenomenon.