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Portuguese term
pressuposto processual
Portuguese to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Os requeridos apresentaram contestação arguindo, preliminarmente: 1) falta de pressuposto processual, uma vez que as contas de sua Administração foram aprovadas pelo órgão responsável da empresa.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +2 | procedural bar |
Adrian MM.
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| 3 +2 | procedural requirements |
Lisa Rosengard
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| 4 | procedural requisites |
Mario Freitas
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| 4 -1 | case precedent |
Oliver Simões
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Proposed translations
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42 mins
Oliver Simões
United States
United States
Native in Portuguese
Specializes in field
United States
BA in Transl., MA in ESL, 15 yrs of exp.
Native in: Portuguese 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English, Spanish to Portuguese, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
283
case precedent
pressuposto: (Jur.) Circunstância ou fato considerado como antecedente necessário de outro: A livre circulação de pessoas é o pressuposto básico da cidadania.
https://www.aulete.com.br/pressuposto
"Case Precedent. In the United States legal system, a precedent or authority is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts." - https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience...
"No case precedent requires the policyholder to obtain a UM jury verdict as a prerequisite to bringing a §624."- https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/content/download/382488/...
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antecedente: preceding; prior; antecedent
sem precedentes: unprecedented
https://michaelis.uol.com.br/moderno-ingles/busca/portugues-...
https://www.aulete.com.br/pressuposto
"Case Precedent. In the United States legal system, a precedent or authority is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts." - https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience...
"No case precedent requires the policyholder to obtain a UM jury verdict as a prerequisite to bringing a §624."- https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/content/download/382488/...
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antecedente: preceding; prior; antecedent
sem precedentes: unprecedented
https://michaelis.uol.com.br/moderno-ingles/busca/portugues-...
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Mark Robertson
: 1. Not in this context. 2. Not the precise meaning. Case precedent = decided case that is binding precedent. In civil law countries, a pressuposto processual is a procedural law provision, not a case law precedent, because there is no such thing. See disc
15 hrs
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Thank you for the explanation.
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2 hrs
Mario Freitas
Brazil
Brazil
Native in Portuguese
&
English
Specializes in field
Brazil
32 years engineering/law/contracts
Native in: English (Variant: US) , Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
:
842
procedural requisites
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Mark Robertson
: Your answer is technically correct but the real source text/concept is "falta de pressuposto processual".
14 hrs
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Yes, Mark. However, the poster only asked for "procedural requisites" and in Kudoz we answer only what was asked so the glossary is correct for future searching by other colleagues, right?
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+2
2 hrs
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
111
Portuguese term (edited):
Bra. civ. proc. pressuposto processual
procedural bar
''..falta de pressuposto processual..' absence of any procedural bar, so to suing - contrary to the definitions in Aurelio: 4. .... antecedente necesario de outro.
Example sentence:
IATE: pressupostos processuais CJUE fundamento de inadmissibilidade de ordem pública CJUE en absolute bar to proceeding with a case CJUE
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Mark Robertson
: Yours is the best answer. The poster failed to post the complete unit of meaning.
13 hrs
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| agree |
ulissescarvalho
23 hrs
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+2
39 mins
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
experienced and well qualified linguist
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Spanish, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
procedural requirements
The requirements might be also assumptions or presuppositions.
It's about a disagreement:
'The others submitted (or presented) an objection, firstly by arguing. It states a lack of procedural requirements (budgeting?) as the Administration's accounts were approved by the business company's governing organization.'
('Os requeridos apresntaram contestaçâo arguindo, preliminarmente
(1) falta de pressuposto processual, uma vez que as contas da sua Administraçâo foram aprovadas pela órgâo responsável da empresa.')
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'apresantaram contestaçâo, arguindo ...'
'they submitted a challenge (an objection), pleading or contesting or arguing ...'
Here's a link to show the
'falta de pressuposto processual'
'lack of procedural requirements'
https://www.deepl.com/translator#pt/en/falta de pressuposto processual
I understood it means either that some of the procedural requirements were missing, or that there were no more procedural requirements.
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Eu gostaria de saber qué seria uma resposta bôa para o pressuposto processual em vez das respostas que fizemos.
Era interssante aprender que os casos que têm precedentes podem ser considerados tambêm durante algunos processos de tomada de decisâo, que está mais presente na jurisprudencia de direito civil.
(I'd like to know what would be an acceptable response instead of the answers suggested.
Also, it was interesting to read that certain cases may have precedents which can be considered in some cases in connection with decision making processes, more so in civil law cases.)
It's about a disagreement:
'The others submitted (or presented) an objection, firstly by arguing. It states a lack of procedural requirements (budgeting?) as the Administration's accounts were approved by the business company's governing organization.'
('Os requeridos apresntaram contestaçâo arguindo, preliminarmente
(1) falta de pressuposto processual, uma vez que as contas da sua Administraçâo foram aprovadas pela órgâo responsável da empresa.')
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Note added at 3 days 18 hrs (2021-01-30 10:00:46 GMT)
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'apresantaram contestaçâo, arguindo ...'
'they submitted a challenge (an objection), pleading or contesting or arguing ...'
Here's a link to show the
'falta de pressuposto processual'
'lack of procedural requirements'
https://www.deepl.com/translator#pt/en/falta de pressuposto processual
I understood it means either that some of the procedural requirements were missing, or that there were no more procedural requirements.
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Note added at 11 days (2021-02-07 04:42:27 GMT)
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Eu gostaria de saber qué seria uma resposta bôa para o pressuposto processual em vez das respostas que fizemos.
Era interssante aprender que os casos que têm precedentes podem ser considerados tambêm durante algunos processos de tomada de decisâo, que está mais presente na jurisprudencia de direito civil.
(I'd like to know what would be an acceptable response instead of the answers suggested.
Also, it was interesting to read that certain cases may have precedents which can be considered in some cases in connection with decision making processes, more so in civil law cases.)
Example sentence:
'Escusado será dizer que este pressuposto este muito longe de qualquer cenário real, presente ou futuro.'
'It need hardly be stressed that this assumption is far removed from any current and future reality.'
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Charles R. Castleberry
: https://www.proz.com/kudoz/portuguese-to-english/law-general...
1 hr
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| neutral |
Mark Robertson
: Your answer is technically correct but the real source text/concept is "falta de pressuposto processual".
15 hrs
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| agree |
Teresa Freixinho
1 day 23 hrs
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Discussion
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Unlike common law systems, civil law jurisdictions deal with case law apart from any precedent value. Civil law courts generally decide cases using codal provisions on a case-by-case basis, without reference to other (or even superior) judicial decisions. In actual practice, an increasing degree of precedent is creeping into civil law jurisprudence, and is generally seen in many nations' highest courts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)o