Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jun 29, 2021 12:25
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Spanish term
Català - English - Español
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
, Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English, English to Spanish, and 1 more.
planos
Spanish to English
Medical
Medical (general)
Kinesiology / anatomy
It is a description of the Abdominal External and Internal Oblique muscles.
"Los músculos Abdominales
Oblicuos Mayor y Menor
(Obliquus Externus e Internus
Abdomini) facilitan que podamos
inclinar el tronco hacia un
lado y girarlo a la vez. Son
anchos, delgados y están
compuestos por diversos
planos que se extienden
desde la pelvis hasta las
costillas y el centro del
abdomen."
In this context, would a literal translation be appropriate? i.e. planos = planes
"Los músculos Abdominales
Oblicuos Mayor y Menor
(Obliquus Externus e Internus
Abdomini) facilitan que podamos
inclinar el tronco hacia un
lado y girarlo a la vez. Son
anchos, delgados y están
compuestos por diversos
planos que se extienden
desde la pelvis hasta las
costillas y el centro del
abdomen."
In this context, would a literal translation be appropriate? i.e. planos = planes
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | layers |
liz askew
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| 3 +1 | fibers |
Cecilia Gowar
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| 3 +1 | planes |
Anne Schulz
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References
| planes of motion |
Muriel Vasconcellos
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Change log
Jul 2, 2021 10:45: liz askew Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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layers
planos musculares normoecoides | Portuguese to English ...https://www.proz.com › kudoz › medical-general › 184...
English translation: Normal echoic pattern of muscle layers. Entered by ... Portuguese term or phrase: planos musculares normoecoides. This is one of the ...
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Internal Abdominal Oblique - Physiopediahttps://www.physio-pedia.com › Internal_Abdominal_...
It is broad and thin. it forms one of the layers of the lateral abdominal wall along with external oblique on the outer side and transverse abdominis on the inner ...
The Internal and External Oblique Muscles Its Attachments ...https://www.yoganatomy.com › external-and-internal-o...
9 Jan 2018 — The oblique muscles. The oblique muscles make up two of the three layers that create our abdominal walls. The third layer is the popular ...
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or, maybe better
sheets
internal oblique muscle - The Worlds of David Darlinghttps://www.daviddarling.info › encyclopedia › internal...
The internal oblique muscle is a broad, thin, muscular sheet that lies deep to the external oblique.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ana Krämer
: agree
1 hr
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| neutral |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: I think it's a reference to the planes of motion in kinesiology.
6 hrs
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| agree |
Anne Schulz
: Layers or sheets is probably the better option, to avoid confusion with geometrical "planes"
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indeed, thank you!
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| agree |
Kristina Love
: agree with layers
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Comment: "Thanks."
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35 mins
Cecilia Gowar
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
I read the Alethiometer
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to Spanish, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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240
fibers
In terms of litearl translation I would use "layers" or "sheets"for "planos".
However each of these muscles seems to be a layer or sheet so I figure they are referring to fibers here.
Internal abdominal oblique is a muscle found on the lateral side of the abdomen. It is broad and thin. it forms one of the layers of the lateral abdominal wall along with external oblique on the outer side and transverse abdominis on the inner side. Its fibers are obliquely oriented hence the name. It helps maintain the abdominal pressure and movements of the trunk along with the other muscles.
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Internal_Abdominal_Oblique
Abdominal muscle, any of the muscles of the anterolateral walls of the abdominal cavity, composed of three flat muscular sheets, from without inward: external oblique, internal oblique, and transverse abdominis, supplemented in front on each side of the midline by rectus abdominis.
The first three muscle layers extend between the vertebral column behind, the lower ribs above, and the iliac crest and pubis of the hip bone below. Their fibres all merge toward the midline, where they surround the rectus abdominis in a sheath before they meet the fibres from the opposite side at the linea alba.
https://www.britannica.com/science/abdominal-muscle
However each of these muscles seems to be a layer or sheet so I figure they are referring to fibers here.
Internal abdominal oblique is a muscle found on the lateral side of the abdomen. It is broad and thin. it forms one of the layers of the lateral abdominal wall along with external oblique on the outer side and transverse abdominis on the inner side. Its fibers are obliquely oriented hence the name. It helps maintain the abdominal pressure and movements of the trunk along with the other muscles.
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Internal_Abdominal_Oblique
Abdominal muscle, any of the muscles of the anterolateral walls of the abdominal cavity, composed of three flat muscular sheets, from without inward: external oblique, internal oblique, and transverse abdominis, supplemented in front on each side of the midline by rectus abdominis.
The first three muscle layers extend between the vertebral column behind, the lower ribs above, and the iliac crest and pubis of the hip bone below. Their fibres all merge toward the midline, where they surround the rectus abdominis in a sheath before they meet the fibres from the opposite side at the linea alba.
https://www.britannica.com/science/abdominal-muscle
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Carol Gullidge
: Layers, I suspect! https://courses.lumenlearning.com/nemcc-ap/chapter/axial-mus...
16 mins
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| neutral |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: I think it's a reference to the planes of motion in kinesiology.
7 hrs
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3 hrs
planes
I am just working on a book about muscles and fascia, and the repeated use of "(myo)fascial planes" in that book has given me trouble because I am not sure about the best way to put it in German ;-(
That said, the term "layers" is also used in the book. As far as I understand, this particular author seems to consider a "layer" to be thicker and less specific/circumscribed than a "plane".
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"'Fascial planes’ is also a concept. It is used to describe how adjacent structures slide relative to each other to facilitate movements in our bodies. As we move, parts of our bodies will need to move in different directions from each other without pulling on each other excessively for full range of motion. Any excessive pull will impede full range of motion. Understanding ‘fascial planes’ will help in understanding the nature of what constitutes ‘excessive pull’ and in understanding the dynamics involved in relieving it."
http://www.lafranomassagedynamics.com/fascial-planes-defined...
That said, the term "layers" is also used in the book. As far as I understand, this particular author seems to consider a "layer" to be thicker and less specific/circumscribed than a "plane".
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"'Fascial planes’ is also a concept. It is used to describe how adjacent structures slide relative to each other to facilitate movements in our bodies. As we move, parts of our bodies will need to move in different directions from each other without pulling on each other excessively for full range of motion. Any excessive pull will impede full range of motion. Understanding ‘fascial planes’ will help in understanding the nature of what constitutes ‘excessive pull’ and in understanding the dynamics involved in relieving it."
http://www.lafranomassagedynamics.com/fascial-planes-defined...
Peer comment(s):
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Muriel Vasconcellos
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Thank you Muriel. However, based on said book (and others I have dealt with), I actually do not think that these myofascial "planes" has anything to do with geometric or anatomical planes in three-dimensional space.
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liz askew
: see https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/medical-general...
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Thank you liz. I am not sure how the proposed translation of "Muskelgeflecht" should affect the choice for translating "planos".
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Reference comments
7 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
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1508
Reference:
planes of motion
The term 'plane' is used in kinesiology and is not synonymous with 'layer'. The main ones are the saggital, frontal, and transverse planes.
1. Basic Kinesiology Terminology | Musculoskeletal Keyhttps://musculoskeletalkey.com › 1-basic-kinesiology-te...
Aug 22, 2016 — CHAPTER 1 Basic Kinesiology Terminology CHAPTER OUTLINE ... Terms of Location, **4 Planes, 5 Motion of the Body within Planes**
1. Basic Kinesiology Terminology | Musculoskeletal Keyhttps://musculoskeletalkey.com › 1-basic-kinesiology-te...
Aug 22, 2016 — CHAPTER 1 Basic Kinesiology Terminology CHAPTER OUTLINE ... Terms of Location, **4 Planes, 5 Motion of the Body within Planes**
Example sentence:
Structural kinesiology - study of muscles as they are involved in ... nearer to the median or midsagittal plane.
Reference:
https://blog.nhttps://andersonvillept.com/blog/planes-motion
https://www.kean.edu/~jeadams/docs/Kinesiology/Kines_Power_Points/Kines_PPT_PDF_Chap1.pdf
Note from asker:
| Yes, I see. That would make sense in the context of the text. Thanks Muriel |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
liz askew
: but "composed of planes of motion" doesn't make sense, this is an anatomical feature
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The Asker made it clear that this is a text about kinesiology, and it's a term used in that field.
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Discussion
However, as far as I can see, it is not used in English as a synonym for muscle "layers".
The meaning of the source text seems to me to refer to "layers", although a less likely possibility is that it refers to the anatomical planes which, as Muriel pointed out, are used in kinesiology. I am, therefore, inclined to think that the Spanish text is referring to the muscle "layers".
ABDOMINAL WALL & RECTUS SHEATHhttps://uomustansiriyah.edu.iq › media › lectures
PDF
19 Mar 2017 — Muscles. ○ Consists of Three broad thin sheets that are aponeurotic in front ... External oblique, internal oblique, and transverse. ○ A wide ...
compuestos por diversos
planos que se extienden
desde la pelvis hasta las
costillas y el centro del
abdomen
to me means that the muscles are composed of layers/sheets,
rather than "planes".
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/nemcc-ap/chapter/axial-mus...