Aug 4, 2021 11:17
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French term
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Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Docteur de troisième cycle
French to English
Social Sciences
Education / Pedagogy
Higher education award (France)
My attempt is simply "doctor" but I am uncertain
The document I am translating is an award of a diploma "Doctorat de troisième cycle"
The institute concerned does not seem to have a website with its awards described in English
The document I am translating is an award of a diploma "Doctorat de troisième cycle"
The institute concerned does not seem to have a website with its awards described in English
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +1 | Docteur, (Ph.D) |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 +3 | Doctor of X |
Conor McAuley
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| 5 | PhD |
Nicolas Gambardella
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| 3 | Tertiary-Level Qualified / Tertiary-Grade / Doctor |
Adrian MM.
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Proposed translations
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1 hr
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Specializes in field
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English
Works in: French to English
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148
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Docteur, (Ph.D)
All doctoral degrees are, by their very nature, in the 3e cycle.
By tradition, the title is usually retained in the native language however, it is becoming increasingly common to use Ph.D.
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CQFD. ;-)
https://www.univ-nantes.fr/etudier-se-former/decouvrir-nos-f...
"Le LMD permet :
- un découpage des études en 3 étapes: la validation de chaque niveau d'études entraîne l'acquisition des crédits européens ECTS ( European Credit Transfer System) correspondants.
La licence correspond à l'obtention de 180 crédits ECTS
Le master correspond à 120 crédits ECTS après la licence et requière la maîtrise d'une langue étrangère. Remplaçant la maîtrise et le troisième cycle (DEA et DESS), ce dernier peut être professionnel ou de recherche, avec des possibilités de passerelle.
Les diplômés d'un master pourront préparer une thèse de doctorat qui correspond à 480 crédits soit 180 supplémentaires après le master."
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So in a translation into French, I would not add any translation of "troisième cycle", except maybe "doctoral degree".
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This should have been just a reference post in fact. Sorry!
By tradition, the title is usually retained in the native language however, it is becoming increasingly common to use Ph.D.
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-08-04 13:11:36 GMT)
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CQFD. ;-)
https://www.univ-nantes.fr/etudier-se-former/decouvrir-nos-f...
"Le LMD permet :
- un découpage des études en 3 étapes: la validation de chaque niveau d'études entraîne l'acquisition des crédits européens ECTS ( European Credit Transfer System) correspondants.
La licence correspond à l'obtention de 180 crédits ECTS
Le master correspond à 120 crédits ECTS après la licence et requière la maîtrise d'une langue étrangère. Remplaçant la maîtrise et le troisième cycle (DEA et DESS), ce dernier peut être professionnel ou de recherche, avec des possibilités de passerelle.
Les diplômés d'un master pourront préparer une thèse de doctorat qui correspond à 480 crédits soit 180 supplémentaires après le master."
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So in a translation into French, I would not add any translation of "troisième cycle", except maybe "doctoral degree".
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Note added at 1 hr (2021-08-04 13:15:16 GMT)
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This should have been just a reference post in fact. Sorry!
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I kept the French term, many thanks Nikki"
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12 mins
Conor McAuley
France
France
Native in English
France
Excellence, Expertise & Experience
Native in: English (Variants: Wales / Welsh, UK, Scottish, Irish, British)
Works in: French to English, English
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Doctor of X
Doctorate
Depending on exact context, one of the above.
Even Doctor will do in some situations.
The European system is split into three cycles, I forget the exact wording used, but it's Bachelor's (three years)-Master's (five years)-Doctorate (six years).
https://ehea.info/page-three-cycle-system
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(That's three, five and six in total. In other words 3 + 2 + 1 = 6. The link explains it far better than I can!)
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My judgement is that "third-cycle" would be largely redundant (as in "Third-cycle Doctor"), a bit like saying "cold ice", but of course you can include it if you wish.
Compare with:
Second-cycle Bachelor's Degree
Third-cycle Master's Degree
Just doesn't sound right, not used.
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To Chris: Jaysus Chris, don't let that one out of the bag, Conchuir is bad enough!
(I'm sure my French functionary friends would "love" it if I availed myself of my right to call myself Conchuir MacAmhlaoibh! I could demand that respect for my human rights demands the use of the relevant fada too (only one, unfortunately)).
Depending on exact context, one of the above.
Even Doctor will do in some situations.
The European system is split into three cycles, I forget the exact wording used, but it's Bachelor's (three years)-Master's (five years)-Doctorate (six years).
https://ehea.info/page-three-cycle-system
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Note added at 14 mins (2021-08-04 11:32:12 GMT)
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(That's three, five and six in total. In other words 3 + 2 + 1 = 6. The link explains it far better than I can!)
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Note added at 36 mins (2021-08-04 11:53:45 GMT)
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My judgement is that "third-cycle" would be largely redundant (as in "Third-cycle Doctor"), a bit like saying "cold ice", but of course you can include it if you wish.
Compare with:
Second-cycle Bachelor's Degree
Third-cycle Master's Degree
Just doesn't sound right, not used.
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To Chris: Jaysus Chris, don't let that one out of the bag, Conchuir is bad enough!
(I'm sure my French functionary friends would "love" it if I availed myself of my right to call myself Conchuir MacAmhlaoibh! I could demand that respect for my human rights demands the use of the relevant fada too (only one, unfortunately)).
Note from asker:
| grma Concobhar |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
polyglot45
: or even PhD
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Thanks polyglot45!
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Samuël Buysschaert
: Petite info supplémentaire, Réforme LMD (3 ans Licence, 2 ans Master, 3 ans Doctorat), c'est pour le différencier du Diplôme d'État de docteur, qui ne confère pas le grade de Docteur (PhD)
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Merci pour ce "bonus" Samuël !
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Agree with Samuël's ccomment about the DE de docteur vs Ph.D.
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Yep
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Nicolas Gambardella
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in French
United Kingdom
Going the extra mile for premium results
Native in: French (Variants: Standard-France, Luxembourgish, Canadian, Swiss, Belgian)
Works in: English to French, French to English
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8
PhD
The Doctor of Philosophy is the exact equivalent to the "docteur de 3e cycle" (by opposition to "docteur d'état", which does not exist any more). The
However, we never say or write "Doctor of Philosophy", whether on a CV or any other document. It is always PhD (or Ph.D. or DPhil, although the latter is much less used.)
Doctorate is too fuzzy since it could also cover, e.g., MD.
However, we never say or write "Doctor of Philosophy", whether on a CV or any other document. It is always PhD (or Ph.D. or DPhil, although the latter is much less used.)
Doctorate is too fuzzy since it could also cover, e.g., MD.
4 days
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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Tertiary-Level Qualified / Tertiary-Grade / Doctor
BTW a couple of French medical-doctor cousins of mine practising in the Versailles and St. Could areas of Paris who can count to three - and who qualified about half a century ago - call themselves 'Tertiary-Grade Doctors' in the Queen's English.
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St. Cloud areas....
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St. Cloud areas....
Example sentence:
Tertiary Training & Qualifications Needed for a Doctor. Although television medical dramas are wrong about many things
Reference:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/other/211420-doctorat-de-troisieme-cycle.html
Reference comments
19 mins
Reference:
fwiw/hth
Doctorat de spécialité (3e cycle)
En 1954, un troisième cycle d'études supérieures, dit de spécialisation, est créé dans les facultés des sciences, puis en 1958 dans les facultés de lettres, puis en 1963 dans les facultés de droit et des sciences économiques. Un « diplôme de docteur dans une spécialité », renommé en « doctorat de spécialité (3e cycle) » est alors créé. La réforme Fouchet19 de 1966 place, dans les facultés des sciences et des lettres, le 3e cycle à la suite de la maîtrise avec la préparation du diplôme d'études approfondies en un an et du doctorat de 3e cycle en un ou deux ans.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplôme_national_de_doctorat_(...
and this
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/human-resources...
En 1954, un troisième cycle d'études supérieures, dit de spécialisation, est créé dans les facultés des sciences, puis en 1958 dans les facultés de lettres, puis en 1963 dans les facultés de droit et des sciences économiques. Un « diplôme de docteur dans une spécialité », renommé en « doctorat de spécialité (3e cycle) » est alors créé. La réforme Fouchet19 de 1966 place, dans les facultés des sciences et des lettres, le 3e cycle à la suite de la maîtrise avec la préparation du diplôme d'études approfondies en un an et du doctorat de 3e cycle en un ou deux ans.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplôme_national_de_doctorat_(...
and this
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/human-resources...
Note from asker:
| Thank you |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
awilliams
10 mins
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| agree |
Mollie Milesi
: Agreed. The reform of the doctoral system in the 1990s-early 2000s abolished this particular type of doctorate
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| agree |
Yolanda Broad
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