Nov 2, 2021 20:16
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French term

au plus tôt au (in this context)

Non-PRO French to English Bus/Financial Business/Commerce (general) Electronic invoicing
Dès qu’une entreprise sera en capacité de produire des factures électroniques conformes aux exigences de la réforme...elle pourra anticiper la réforme et transmettre 100% de ses factures B2B domestiques au plus tôt au 1er juillet 2024.

Hello
I am translating a text about a new requirement in France for all taxable invoices to be submitted electronically with effect from 1 Jul 2024.
In the sentence above I am not sure of the meaning of "au plus tôt au 1er juillet 2024" - if "anticiper la réforme" means "pre-empt the reform" it suggests that the company can start using electronic invoices before the mandatory date, so "no earlier than 1st July 2024" for "au plus tôt au 1er juillet 2024" doesn't seem to follow on from that.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mark
Proposed translations (English)
4 +10 no earlier than
Change log

Nov 3, 2021 09:11: Rachel Fell changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): AllegroTrans, Rob Grayson, Rachel Fell

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Discussion

James A. Walsh Nov 3, 2021:
RE: "as early as" vs "no earlier than" "as early as" probably makes more sense here, due to its slightly more positive register in English (cos I feel the ST has a somewhat 'positive' register to it)

ph-b (X) Nov 3, 2021:
philgoddard You're right of course, I meant "no earlier than", as suggested by AllegroTrans and as mentioned in my last paragraph.
philgoddard Nov 3, 2021:
ph-b You're incorrect in saying that "au plus tôt" is usually translated as “no later than”, but I do agree that "as early as" would work.
ph-b (X) Nov 3, 2021:
"as early as"? I realise au plus tôt is usually translated as “no later than” [EDIT: read: "no earlier than" - as in my last paragraph], but like you, I don’t understand the logic of it here and wonder whether it might mean “as early as” instead.

The clue to me is Dès qu’une entreprise sera en capacité It doesn’t say “as soon as the law provides so”, but “as soon as companies can”, which is hardly legally binding. My reading is that while the the law makes e-invoicing compulsory from a certain date depending on the size of the company, e-invoicing is also possible before the mandatory date, and as early as 1st July 2014, if companies are able and willing to. This is reinforced by the positive form of the sentence, when au plus tôt sounds restrictive and negative.

“No earlier than” must probably be used here, if only because we’re supposed to translate what the text says – warts and all, as it were. Is there a chance, however, that the French used in your text might be sloppy? I would for instance question the use of domestique here.

Checking with the client woud be a good idea.
philgoddard Nov 2, 2021:
Maybe the source text is wrong. If you look at my reference, you'll see the deadline is 2024, 2025, or 2026, depending on the size of the company.
Mark Radcliffe (asker) Nov 2, 2021:
2026 Thanks. Re Phil's and Tony's comment there is no reference to 2026 in the source text.

Proposed translations

+10
14 mins
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no earlier than

I don't think you can do other than translate what is there. It definitely doesn't say they can start to submit e-invoices before 1 July 2004

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https://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_general/1.4#1.4
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : Presumably 'anticiper' here means get ready, so they are in a position to start e-invoicing as soon as they are allowed to.
1 min
Thanks, yes, "get ready/prepare" would be the obvious meaning of "anticiper" here
agree philgoddard : The final deadline is 2026, not 2024. The changes are phased in over a two-year period, so the French makes perfect sense. http://www.legifiscal.fr/actualites-fiscales/2927-facturatio...
23 mins
Thanks Phil. Interesting, but I don't see 2026 in Asker's text
agree SafeTex
2 hrs
Thanks ST
agree Samuël Buysschaert
3 hrs
thanks
agree Verginia Ophof
4 hrs
thanks!
agree Michael Davies
11 hrs
thanks!
agree Emmanuella
13 hrs
thanks!
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Phil's source is helpful.
15 hrs
thanks
agree James A. Walsh
16 hrs
thanks
agree ph-b (X) : "I don't think you can do other than translate what is there."
17 hrs
thanks
neutral Daryo : strictly speaking it would be "as early as" - a bit like "pushing from the inside" vs "pulling from the outside" - the end result is the same, but "as early as" has a more positive connotation - same as the FR version!
3 days 50 mins
I completely disagree: "as early as" is just "neutral" whereas "no earlier than" is firm and unambiguous
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