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French term

dans le temps

Non-PRO French to English Law/Patents General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Academic paper on a principle of law
(Footnote) "Articles relatifs à l’application de la loi pénale dans le temps."

"C’est d’abord l’étude de la législation relative à l’application des lois de forme dans le temps [...]"

(Section heading) "La législation relative à l’application dans le temps des lois de procédure pénale"

(Text immediately following the heading above) "En France, les dispositions relatives à l’application des lois de procédure pénale ***dans le temps*** ont été formulées tardivement, en 1994, lors de l’entrée en vigueur du nouveau code pénal. Ce sont les articles 112-2 et 112-3 de ce code qui posent aujourd’hui le principe de l’application immédiate des dispositions de forme nouvelles qu’ils énumèrent."
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 over time
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Discussion

Conor McAuley (asker) Nov 26, 2021:
Answer found elsewhere (which was not "over time", very surprisingly):

FRENCH:

"Code pénal

Partie législative (Articles 111-1 à 727-3)

Livre Ier : Dispositions générales (Articles 111-1 à 133-17)

Titre Ier : De la loi pénale (Articles 111-1 à 113-14)

Chapitre II : De l'application de la loi pénale ***dans le temps***"

ENGLISH:

"CHAPTER II
OF THE ***OPERATIVE PERIOD*** OF A CRIMINAL LAW Articles 112-1 to 112-4
ARTICLE 112-1
Conduct is punishable [...]"

Conor McAuley (asker) Nov 26, 2021:
What I have pencilled in is... ..."operative period".

I failed to put in my notes the source for this translation, but a related usage can be found here:

"Operative Period of Contract Definition | Law Insiderhttps://www.lawinsider.com › dictionary › operative-pe...
Define Operative Period of Contract. or “Term” means the period of the Contract commencing from the Effective Date of Project Commencement and continuing ..."

A quick look at the glossaries shows that the term does not always translate as "over time".

https://www.proz.com/search/?term=dans le temps&from=fra&to=...
Conor McAuley (asker) Nov 26, 2021:
The question looks deceptively easy. The issue is when new substantive acts and procedural acts come into application, and whether they apply retroactively.
The temporal and retroactive aspects of the issue have been -- perhaps unfortunately, but I think not -- phrased simply as "dans le temps", but I don't think that a literal translation, such as "over time", will do, it would be a total over-simplification.

In other words the expression "dans le temps" is not being used in its conventional sense, rather as shorthand for something a great deal more complex.

In-depth legal issues.
Conor McAuley (asker) Nov 26, 2021:
Rétroactivité in mitius I should have mentioned that this concept comes up in the text.

In mitius: of less severe penalties.
Conor McAuley (asker) Nov 26, 2021:
The footnote refers notably to this article: (Penal Code)

"ARTICLE 112-1
Conduct is punishable only where it constituted a criminal offence at the time when it took place.
Only those penalties legally applicable at the same date may be imposed.
However, new provisions are applicable to offences committed before their coming into force and which have not led to a res judicata conviction, when they are less severe than the previous provisions."

Proposed translations

+1
57 mins

over time

This seems to make sense


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