Jan 23, 2022 19:18
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Gobelin Tapestry Club

English Art/Literary Linguistics
There was no such club in London so it must be an allusion to her being an old maid or a nouveau rich or something that I
am unable to find out.

"The lady being neither young nor handsome, and if not yet a member, first on the list to be elected one of the Gobelin Tapestry Club, could scarcely believe that her ears had not deceived her, but willing to be convinced, she contrived to let him repeat his offer, and utter a hundred pretty nothings before she ventured to make a reply, which was quite a characteristic one—..."

This paragraph is from a short story published by a London Magazine in 1840.
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Discussion

Daryo Jan 24, 2022:
You could say that this "Gobelin Tapestry Club" is fictional the same way as the name of the village/town used in the story is probably fictional.

But as a type of club it couldn't be more "real" (for the year 1840, of course) - it's nowhere near the same kind of "fictional" as in say science-fiction.
Yvonne Gallagher Jan 24, 2022:
agree with Tony it's clear it's FICTIONAL when it's a "short story"! Lots of ladies did needlepoint (some still do) back then and it's still possible to buy Gobelin tapestry style kits. Yes, it's quite possible that some ladies formed clubs to work together on their creative pursuits, then often sold the completed work at village fairs to raise money for charities. But the main thing is that it fits perfectly into the story
Tina Vonhof (X) Jan 23, 2022:
Agree with Tony It's probably a fictional club.
Taña Dalglish Jan 23, 2022:
Here is another mention from the same link:
shorturl.at/aqER4
Page 142: "A Few Passages, &c."
When fortune smiles, she sometimes is more than gracious to her favourites; ... Miss Judy Smithson, a lady somewhat past of the prime of her life, and yet not quite old enough to take place among the **Gobelin Tapestry** at the village tea-tables.
Tony M Jan 23, 2022:
@ Asker It is perfectly possible that this is a purely fictional club, invented by the author as being the sort of thing older ladies of a certain quality might show an interest in. Taña's reference appears to show that it is literally a physical club, and not some abstract allusion, as you may have wondered?

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fictional club

shorturl.at/aqER4

As per discussion and references:
See page 214 for one of the short stories.

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Very good! Thank you.
Note from asker:
By the context it is a kind of name for the group of women considered old maids.
Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard
4 hrs
Thank you.
agree Barbara Carrara
4 hrs
Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you. Your reference led me to the fact that it is an old maids' club"
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generic name for a type of club / society, including the associated connotations

At that time there must have been hundreds if not thousands of clubs / societies of that type, same as stamp collectors clubs were all the rage much later, or book reading clubs or ..

this front page gives a pretty good idea of the typical membership:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FEc5AQAAMAAJ&printsec=fr...

New Monthly Belle Assemblée

https://books.google.co.uk › books
1840
... first on the list to be elected one of who was hastily tying on a clean apron , and looked the Gobelin Tapestry Club , could scarcely believe as flushed ...


New Monthly Belle Assemblée, Volume 12
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FEc5AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=...

Ans again

The New Monthly Belle Assemblée, Volume 17

https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=OkIFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA214&l...

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Reference comments

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Reference:

Ref.

shorturl.at/aqER4
Page 214 "The Old Maid in Love".
The truth was, Miss Wrinklebrow could not bear the idea os her sister's marrying, ... and be content to mix chiefly with the Gobelin Tapestry Club, of which she considered herself to be as yet only an honorary member, and not even duly elected.
Note from asker:
Thank you, Please post as an answer to select
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Yvonne Gallagher : just fictional. Nothing to do with any allusions
3 hrs
Thank you. I was not the one to mention "allusions".
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Reference:

Gobelin Tapestry Club

https://www.ebay.com/b/gobelin-tapestry/bn_7024781689
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/gobelins-tapestries.html
https://books.google.gr/books?id=sPXXDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT74&lpg=PT...
Listed below are some references that may prove quite useful to you if you want to comprehend the meaning of such an old and traditional Tapestry club that still exists in our time.

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A Gobelins Tapestry
By far the most famous of the French tapestry weaving workshops is Gobelins. Originally, in the mid 15th century, Gobelins was not a weaving manufacturer but a family of textile dyers who set up an establishment in what is now the 13th arrondissement of Paris. In the early 17th century Henri IV moved a team of Flemish tapestry weavers in and 1662 Jean-Baptiste Colbert bought the place on behalf of his royal master Louis XIV.
https://daysontheclaise.blogspot.com/2012/06/gobelins-tapest...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Tony M : What in your references actually indicates that such a club has ever existed or still does exist?
34 mins
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : just a fictional club, part of the story
4 hrs
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