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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

crises élastiques

English translation:

Crise clastique -> destructive behavior

Added to glossary by Drmanu49
Sep 8, 2022 08:19
1 yr ago
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French term

crises élastiques

French to English Medical Medical: Health Care
This appears in a sentence about a teenager with autism who has violent outbursts. no other information about it.
Proposed translations (English)
5 +3 Crise clastique -> destructive behavior
4 +1 violent episodes and destruction
5 meltdown
4 periodic behavioral crises
3 recurring crises (recurring behavioral crises, "cyclical crisis")
2 Fluctuating crises
Change log

Sep 10, 2022 13:58: Drmanu49 Created KOG entry

Discussion

FPC Sep 8, 2022:
Drmanu I disagree with your disagreeing with Phil about self-injurious behavior, which is not a given and not necessary to define destructive behavior. Otherwise, as said I think your proposal is fine.
https://www.autismeinfoservice.fr/adapter/professionnels-san...
Drmanu49 Sep 8, 2022:
Well I disagree with Phil on that one there is evidence that it could also be self destructive behavior. And BTW I don't need to "reproduce" any other answerI do my own research.
FPC Sep 8, 2022:
Just a note In autism we speak of meltdowns when talking about strong emotional crises with outbursts and often impressive presentations. Now I gave my vote to Drmanu as the French original (which hadn't occured to me immediately) meant ""clastique", which of course refers to breaking stuff. Now what I just want to add is that destructive behavior is factually correct and I would certainly endorse that translation but while more specific is at the same time more general, as it can also occur, still in autistic people, without a meltdown. Put simply an autisti person, especially a child, as countless parents know can also destroy property without the particular emotional upheaval that is a meltdown. At the same time of course a meltdown can just be very intense with powerful manifestations without the person breaking any stuff. The point is (and the translator may know) if the stress is on the cause of the destructive behaviour being an irrepressible outpouring of intense emotions in the form of a meltdown, maybe it's woth mentioning alongside "destructive behavior".
philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:
Samuël did the most important work in this question by realizing that "élastique" is a mistake. Liz provided a correct answer. I think Dr Manu is cashing in by reproducing Samuël's explanation and Liz's answer.
He has also changed his answer to "self-injurious behavior". There is no evidence for this, and I believe it's wrong. Emmanuella's reference from Larousse says: "Se dit d'une crise violente marquée par des bris d'objets".
Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:
When I don't understand a word, I check in the dictionary.

https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/clastique/164...
philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:
Thanks! "Clastic crisis" appears on page 156 of your reference. The book is a translation, and I don't think anyone will understand this. I picture some nineteenth-century French psychologist trying to come up with a fancy way of saying "breaks things", and rubbing their hands with glee when they find this.
Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:
En effet, bravo à tous les deux.
cf. https://books.google.com/books/about/Adverse_Drug_Reactions....
philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:
Wiktionary From Ancient Greek κλαστός (klastós, “broken in pieces”), from κλάω (kláō, “to break”) +‎ -ic.
philgoddard Sep 8, 2022:
I think Samuël has it with "clastique", hidden away at the end of his answer. It looks like this often gets misrendered as "élastique". Fascinating!
In geology, clastic rocks are made up of fragments of other rocks, which must be the connection with breaking things.
And then of course there's "iconoclastic".
Cristina Bufi Poecksteiner, M.A. Sep 8, 2022:
every child has meltdowns (and tantrums) “What can I do if my child has a meltdown?
Meltdowns are an involuntary emotional response to their senses being overwhelmed. They’re different from tantrums, which usually have a purpose, and are a response to not getting or being able to do what they want. When having a meltdown, your child will be looking to you to help them regain control of their feelings.” https://parents.actionforchildren.org.uk/behaviour/challengi...
Emmanuella Sep 8, 2022:
Ici, on parle ' d'agitation élastique'.
https://books.google.com/books/about/L_autisme_attrapé_par_l...
FPC Sep 8, 2022:
Crise "autistique" Crise "elastique" is odd. t could be a mistake, and they meant AUTISTIQUE, especially if it's a transcritpion. I know a bit about autism and I've never heard elastique. But the term for an autistic emotional crisis, in general is 'meltdown' as I said in my suggestion.
Samuël Buysschaert Sep 8, 2022:
HTH/Fwiw "Article 2 - Les réactions émotionnelles |Colère
La crise élastique se caractérise par l'extrême violence avec activité de destruction sans intention précise." (p.138)

"1.7 - L'activité psychomotrice
Fureur maniaque : colère extrême avec perte totale du contrôle réflexif, agitation dangereuse et élastique, c'est-à-dire avec bris d'objets et de matériel." (p.151)

"des crises élastiques (bris de matériel)" (p.207)

"Le qualificatif de élastique (crise élastique ou colère
élastique) désigne une activité de destruction sans intention précise
à type de bris d'objets et de matériels." (p.224)
http://livre21.com/LIVREF/F5/F005081.pdf
Nouveau Précis de Sémiologie des troubles psychiques
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Crise clastique ?
"crise au cours de laquelle le sujet devient violent et brise des objets."
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crise_clastique
https://www.cairn.info/revue-la-psychiatrie-de-l-enfant-2016...

Proposed translations

+3
3 hrs
Selected

Crise clastique -> destructive behavior

Schéma décisionnel d'organisation à adopter devant un ...
https://www.has-sante.fr › jcms › schema-decision...
PDF
Quel type de trouble ? - Agitation. - Agression physique. - Automutilation. - Crise clastique. Quels antécédents ?

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or Self-Injurious Behavior

Efficacité et tolérance de la clozapine sur les comportements ...
https://dumas.ccsd.cnrs.fr › document
25
PDF
15 janv. 2018 — SIBQ : Self-Injurious Behavior Questionnaire ... présentant des comportements-défis à type d'hétéro-agressivité et de crises clastiques,.
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : Liz has already said destruction.//If you think it means self-injurious behavior (I don't), you should post that as an answer. Your first reference says "automutilation" and "crise clastique", two different things.
11 mins
No Phil, this is different it implies Self-Injurious Behavior.
agree Mpoma : Widely available if you search. I preferred the first suggestion: consensus is that it seems to be about breaking objects.
1 hr
Thank you.
agree FPC : I hadn't thought of "clastique" but it's correct. Your answer is more specific, as destructive behaviour is often a possible manifestation in meltdowns but destructive need not be self-injurious and viceversa, though they can be present at the same time.
1 hr
Thank you.
agree ormiston : We'll sleuthed!
4 hrs
Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks"
16 mins

recurring crises (recurring behavioral crises, "cyclical crisis")

crises élastiques = recurring crises (recurring behavioral crises, "cyclical crisis")

means that crisis with violent outbursts are "elastic": coming and going, again and again

Context
crises élastiques
This appears in a sentence about a teenager with autism who has violent outbursts.

Help for Child with Autism & Recurring Behavioral Crises: Part 2
https://www.autismspeaks.org/expert-opinion/help-child-autis...
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34 mins

Fluctuating crises

I'm not sure but the term might refer to the fact that the ASD spells vary in duration and/or intensity.

See this online:
What is autism crisis?
In particular, subjects with ASD can display momentary behaviors of acute agitation and aggressiveness called crisis behaviors. These events are problematic for the subject and care providers but little is known about their occurrence, namely, possible relations among intensity, frequency, and duration.
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1 hr

periodic behavioral crises

That she or he passes in and out of. That come and go periodically.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Mpoma : Explanations widely available online. It is about breaking objects, so this is too general.
3 hrs
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+1
1 hr

violent episodes and destruction


Stop over-medication of people with autism: Jack's story
https://www.england.nhs.uk › sites › 2016/11 › ld...
PDF
child psychologist and members of the autism ... family we struggled to cope with his severe meltdowns, violent episodes and destruction.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Barbara Cochran, MFA : Wouldn't "destructive behavior" be the correct expression, even though it seems to be how the family members (not doctors, though) expressed the idea? Wouldn't "violent, destructive episodes" be a more concise way to express it?/For prescriptionists, no.
27 mins
The English language is pretty flexible, so my way of putting it is perfectly OK:)
agree philgoddard : I think this is right, though you haven't given an explanation and you may have stumbled on it by accident! Barbara's version is slightly better.
1 hr
Thanks! I got if from Samuel's reference in the discussion box: La crise élastique se caractérise par l'extrême violence avec activité de destruction sans intention précise
neutral Mpoma : Too general. Dr Manu's (first) suggestion is more in accord with French explanations (easily available if you search).
3 hrs
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1 hr

meltdown

I've never heard of "crises elatiques" and unless it's a typo it could mean unpredictable, random , so in French "aleatoires" or with varying intensities.
Anyway especially if it's a characterized by a strong reaction it's called a meltdown. I post a refernce but you can find millions over the internet and anyway I know on account of personal reasons. Without going into personal details that I'm a long standing member of a charity dedicated to halping and supporting autistc people and their families.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=autistic meltdown&form=ANNTH1&...

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AS for "elastique" an educated guess is it's a bad transcritpion for "autistique"

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https://www.rdiconnect.com/what-is-an-autism-meltdown/#:~:te...

If you really think it's necessary as there's no other context and for formal conformity to the original you may add "autistic" but if your context is about autism and autistic people it's redundant. In fact having meltdown is a strong hint for an autism diagnosis.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Cristina Bufi Poecksteiner, M.A. : every child has meltdowns (and tantrums), cfr.: "Meltdowns are an involuntary emotional response to their senses being overwhelmed.” https://parents.actionforchildren.org.uk/behaviour/challengi...
50 mins
That's the terminology used in autism, even if other people may have them. One can add "autistic" but when speaking in the context of autistic people it's redundant.
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