Mar 12, 2023 13:52
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Russian term

представитель по доверенности

Russian to English Law/Patents Law (general)
Заявление подано от имени пяти членов экипажа их представителем по доверенности.....

Attorney-in-fact или просто representative?

Discussion

IrinaN Mar 15, 2023:
Продолжение Широко распространен термин Health care proxy

A health care proxy is an agent named in a health care declaration to make medical decisions for the person signing the document (the principal) when he or she is unable to make decisions for himself or herself.

Тоже "поражение в правах", как и в случае proxy vs power of attorney - финансовые решения такое лицо принимать не может, и выступать представителем или защитником тоже, только свидетельствовать, если что.
IrinaN Mar 15, 2023:
Коллега interprivate, обидно, что тут мы расходимс Так сложилась практика. Как говаривал Александр Сергеевич, это произошло "силою вещей". Гениальное и обожаемое мной выражение.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/proxy-law
proxy, a term denoting either a person who is authorized to stand in place of another or the legal instrument by which the authority is conferred. It is a contracted form of the Middle English word “procuracie.” Proxies are now principally employed for certain voting purposes.

A proxy may in law be either general or special. A general proxy authorizes the person to whom it is entrusted to exercise general discretion throughout the matter in hand, while a special proxy limits the authority to some special proposal or resolution. In English and American bankruptcy proceedings creditors may vote by proxy, and every instrument of proxy, which may be either general or special, is issued either by the official receiver or trustee.

The greatest modern importance of proxies is in their use in shareholder voting.



Proposed translations

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attorney-in-fact

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/real_property_trust_estat...

The person named in a power of attorney to act on your behalf is commonly referred to as your "agent" or "attorney-in-fact." With a valid power of attorney, your agent can take any action permitted in the document. Often your agent must present the actual document to invoke the power.

In other words, AiF implies power of attorney by default, according to the American Bar Association.
Peer comment(s):

agree Deborah Hoffman
21 hrs
Thank you, Deborah
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you, Irina!"
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13 mins

representative by power of attorney

I think it would be important to include the "by power of attorney" bit here, since it establishes the formalized authority of the five crew/team members' representative to engage in representation on their behalf (i.e. in filing the statement/motion).
Peer comment(s):

agree Ravindra Godbole
1 min
agree Vladimir Alekseev, MCIL : да. proxy обычно относится к голосованию по доверенности
20 hrs
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7 mins

representative by proxy



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Note added at 8 mins (2023-03-12 14:00:29 GMT)
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https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/proxy-representation

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Note added at 15 mins (2023-03-12 14:07:35 GMT)
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it is an authority given to a person to act for someone else
Note from asker:
А я думал, что proxy - это только при голосовании на собраниях по доверенности...
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