May 18, 2023 23:56
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Spanish term

mujer de ingenio

Non-PRO Spanish to English Art/Literary Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
This is actually the title of an essay by an Argentine critic about a mid-twentieth-century and deceased Argentine sculptor. Her, the writer engages in an imaginary conversation with the sculptor:

Empecemos por enderezar algunos datos. Lo que me importa asentar es el asunto de los colores: usted no era una niñita rubia, María, sino morocha; sus ojos, más que pardos, eran marrón oscuro, y su piel blanca, según todos dicen, era oliva. No pretendo con esto atrincherarme en lo empírico, solo convenir que usted, señora, a la hora de dictar sus memorias, fue una mujer de ingenio.

I am wondering if this is an existing expression.

Thanks
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May 25, 2023 13:02: philgoddard changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): AllegroTrans, Yvonne Gallagher, philgoddard

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Discussion

Lucy Breen May 19, 2023:
a woman of wit I like this rendition with its aliteration and use of 'wit'. Given the context, the period and the style of the source text I would go with this.

Proposed translations

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woman of wit

My suggestion considering the context.
Peer comment(s):

agree Lucy Breen : Yes, I like it!
10 hrs
Thanks. It's more literary, indeed.
disagree Andrew Bramhall : but doesn't convey the intended meaning here, unfortunately;//are you telling me I don't understand my native English as well as you?
13 hrs
It does. Sorry if you had a hard time understanding it. // I just think you're starting to bug me with your disagreeing with everyone's replies. Why don't you just accept people's suggestions?
neutral neilmac : I understand it as more than just "wit/witty" in the context...
17 hrs
disagree philgoddard : This is an obsolete meaning of "wit", and will be misunderstood as " funny".
1 day 14 hrs
It's literary. That's why.
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : with Phil. Will be misunderstood
3 days 13 hrs
Nope.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "This is what I was thinking. Thanks"
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Mujer con ingeniosidad

Mi sugerencia
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disagree Jennifer Levey : Or, as we say in English ... ?
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artful/resourceful/imaginative woman

I don't think this is any set expression, it's just used to describe María. I presume María is the sculptor? And it refers to the imagination she uses in portraying herself, presumably not as the dark-haired, brown-eyed, olive-skinned woman she really was.
Peer comment(s):

agree neilmac : Most likely...
31 mins
Cheers Neil!
neutral philgoddard : These are synonyms of ingenious.
3 hrs
Yes they are, which nobody has posted, the other answer could go either way https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/ingenious-inge...
agree ormiston : One could add 'brilliant' and let asker choose:exceptionally clever or talented.
5 hrs
Thanks Ormiston, yes, good idea :-)
agree AllegroTrans : And several more possibilities, easily found in a Thesaurus. Context dependent. Nothing remotely difficult.
12 hrs
Thanks AT!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : I like Ormiston's suggestion
3 days 7 hrs
Thanks Yvonne, yes, me too :-)
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female with talent -> woman of many talents

of many talents is a 'fuzzy matches', but is well-nigh a set expression.

Also a 'female' variation for the gender-conscious.

Ingenio: talent, Collins, SPA/ENG.

Compare 'una mujer con (mucho) genio' (no nationailty mentioned).
Example sentence:

A woman of many talents (she has won several Grammy Awards and played in Blues Brothers 2000 and House of D.

We found that talented women in emerging markets are ahead of the curve in unexpected ways

Peer comment(s):

agree neilmac : I also like "a woman of many talents" ...
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Witty woman

Another variation. The use of "witty woman" conveys the idea of someone who possesses cleverness, intelligence, and quick thinking. It aligns well with the concept of being inventive and having a sharp mind, which seems to be the intended meaning in the essay about the Argentine sculptor.

Additionally, "witty woman" carries a certain charm and playfulness that complements the contrast mentioned in your query, and for me, sounds kind of conversational, which can remit to this imaginary conversation between the critic and the artist. It creates a counterpoint with the phrase "pretty woman" and adds depth to the conversation between the writer and the sculptor. Just subtle differences and a matter of style.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Andrew Bramhall : Doesn't work here, sorry;
1 day 6 hrs
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : not what it means
3 days 3 hrs
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A disingenuous/inventive woman; a woman of disingenuity/inventiveness

Let's start straightening out a few facts. What I want to establish is the matter of colour: you were not a little blonde girl, Maria, but a brunette; your eyes, rather than brown, were dark brown, and your white skin, by all accounts, was olive. I don't mean to get bogged down in the empirical, only to agree that you, madam, when it came to dictating your memoirs, were a disingeuous/ inventive woman.

'disingenuous' ( acting out of unperceived motives) is really the meaning here, where nothing is quite as it seems
Peer comment(s):

disagree Marcelo Gonçalves : It doesn't convey the intended meaning at all.
8 mins
A comment which serves to show you don't understand its meaning and application at all;
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(an) ingenious woman

"ingenious woman"
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