Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

exclure les comptes soldés non mouvementés

English translation:

exclude zero-balance, zero-movement accounts

Added to glossary by Anne Greaves
Nov 9, 2023 14:26
6 mos ago
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French term

exclure les comptes soldés non mouvementés

French to English Bus/Financial Accounting
Hi all,
I am translating some accounting documents, not sure about the following. Does it mean exclude zero balance accounts with no activity on the accounts? Or words to that effect! Thanks in advance.
Exclure les comptes soldés non mouvementés

Discussion

Bourth Nov 9, 2023:
I'd recommend Asker put the question to the customer re. punctuation, i.e. is les comptes soldés non mouvementés one element or two?
philgoddard Nov 9, 2023:
Bourth Again, I disagree.

If an account had a zero balance at the end of last year, and a zero balance at the end of this year, then it has no balance and no movements.

If it had a $10 balance at the end of last year, and a zero balance at the end of this year, then it has movements.




Bourth Nov 9, 2023:
@ Phil In principle I agree that soldé means there is no balance. But if an account has no balance, then it necessarily has no movement, so there is no need to specify non mouvementé, surely. An account with a balance, however, could have credit and/or debit movements or, as specified here, be non mouvementé.
philgoddard Nov 9, 2023:
No, Bourth, 'soldé' means the opposite of having a balance.
Bourth Nov 9, 2023:
soldé, mouvementé I assume the accounts referred to have a balance (i.e. soldé = ont une solde). Is this about actual bank accounts or accounts on company ledgers (energy, personnel, rent, vehicles, stationery, etc.)? Dormant bank accounts which might have large balances (especially if they have large balances) are often charged penalties by banks. Any accrued interest on the accounts is not considered to be a movement, just so the bank can justify taking a penalty cut.
Emmanuella Nov 9, 2023:
Oui. Le problème concerne le terme 'soldé' qui peut prêter à confusion.
Certains considèrent que le compte est 'crédité' ( qu'il y a un solde) , d'autres qu'il est 'clôturé'.
Bourth Nov 9, 2023:
dormant account In banking a compte non mouvementé would be a 'dormant account'. Might it be the same in accounting?
Emmanuella Nov 9, 2023:
Afin d'éviter un contresens, exclure de quoi ?

Proposed translations

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exclude zero-balance, zero-movement accounts

Yes, I agree with your interpretation.

For once, I don't think the exact context matters - as mentioned in the discussion box, it could be bank accounts, ledger accounts, or perhaps accounts receivable or a balance sheet.

https://www.wordreference.com/fren/solder

il ne faut pas omettre les comptes soldés, c'est-à-dire ceux pour lesquels débit = crédit.
http://unt.univ-cotedazur.fr/aunege/M2/compta_gen_Nancy2/co/...
Peer comment(s):

agree Steve Robbie
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exclude zero-balance AND zero-movement accounts

Thinking further, I strongly suspect there's a comma (at the very least) missing.

Ouèbbhe searching reveals there to be a single instance of comptes soldés non mouvementés: yours.

On the other hand, there are a hundred or so sites with both comptes soldés and comptes non mouvementés.
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : You have to take the question at face value and not speculate that they might have meant something different. The French makes perfect sense as it stands, and so does my answer.
28 mins
Part of the job of a translator is to spot nonsense in the source and remedy it.
neutral SafeTex : I actually think that this slightly adapted suggestion or a previous answer is better. But I also think that it would be far more friendly to agree with that answer and suggest this as an alternative.
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neutral Steve Robbie : Implausible to me as an ex-accountant. If an account has a balance, it's interesting. If there were movements on it, it's interesting. Only if there was neither would you disregard it. Otherwise you risk overlooking something, or distorting your analysis.
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exclude closed accounts with no mouvements during the period

This option helps the accountant to detect any problem and then removed any account where no mouvement has being done during the period taken into consideration.
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exclude the account balances with no changes

it's about accounts which don't have any transactions found during a given period of time (which don't have any changes) compared with accounts that are shown to have transactions taken place during the same time period.
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