Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

natte

English translation:

plait

Added to glossary by Bianca Fogarasi
Sep 20, 2006 06:24
17 yrs ago
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French term

natte

French to English Other Cosmetics, Beauty hairstyle
- Support de cours de nattes
- Support de cours de tresses

Many thanks
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 plait
4 +3 more to it than gets in your eye (or not)
3 braid
Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (2): Julie Barber, a05

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Discussion

Veronica Coquard Sep 27, 2006:
Thank you, Bianca! See you next time! :-)
Karen Tkaczyk Sep 20, 2006:
'corn row' suggested by Bourth. Sounds like it might be but I've never heard that one before.
Karen Tkaczyk Sep 20, 2006:
Can't confirm for sure but I think tresse/natte could be braid (US) plait (UK) and 'French braid/plait' which is the kind where you take portions of hair all the way down the head rather than just plait from the top of the bunch. French may be the same as
a05 Sep 20, 2006:
Sorry, I made a wrong entry. I want to confirm the PRO status. This is often the case that common language is misleading and a term that everybody finds familiar has a different meaning in the professional language of the trade. This is an extra challenge
Bourth (X) Sep 20, 2006:
That's an interesting angle! For me, Pro/Non Pro refers to whether it's a question one would expect a non-professional person or a professional translator (specializing in one field or another) to be able to translate.
Marc Glinert Sep 20, 2006:
I pay my hairdresser (do you not do likewise) which in my book makes her activity professional together with the vocabulary which accompanies it.
Marc Glinert Sep 20, 2006:
Note to Julie why the non-Pro vote ? Is hairdressing somehow a lowlier occupation then say spot-welding or life insurance? .../...

Proposed translations

+1
57 mins
Selected

plait

As found in the Harrap's Shorter FR/EN dictionary. It appears that "braid" is the Americanism. Still, I intuitively don't feel that a "natte" = braid, especially when trying to underline the difference between "natte" and "tresse"... A "natte" is messier, a bit worn, makes me think of a dredlock; a "tresse" is a bit more old-fashioned, but neater, with every hair in place. Just my opinion.

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-20 07:45:40 GMT)
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The more I look around for the difference between the terms, the more it escapes me! I have found a few examples which suggest that the difference may be in the size/quantity (with "nattes" being a shower of tiny plaits and a "tresse" being one big braid) -and others which suggest it may have more to do with how much the style lies flat against the head. You may need images of the ones you are describing, because there are too many contradictory images on the net. The terms are used interchangeably.

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-20 07:57:42 GMT)
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You might just have to make up your own rules on this one, and remain consistent in your choice. :-)

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-20 08:08:58 GMT)
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Evidence that a "tresse" is plaited freely without continuing to incorporate new sections of hair: http://toblema.canalblog.com/albums/mon_book/index.html
And, from the same hairdresser's site, that a "natte" lies flat against the head: http://toblema.canalblog.com/albums/book_des_nattes/index.ht...
You know, I may be coming around to a05's suggestion.
Note from asker:
I very much agree with your second note! That's what's been puzzling me too... :(( Unfortunately, I don't have pictures.
Peer comment(s):

neutral a05 : possible, though nattes look tidier on pictures -- see link
15 mins
Indeed! Tidy in the African tradition, messier in the modern adaptions and "mixed" styles. Hard to say.
agree Cervin
1 hr
I must say that the more I look, the less I understand, but thanks for your vote of confidence.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "In the end, I decided to use PLAIT for "natte" & BRAID for "tresse"... Hope is the good choice, I'm not 100% convinced... Many thanks to everybody!"
7 mins

braid

see link.
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+3
2 hrs

more to it than gets in your eye (or not)

Don't know which is which, but I suspect that one of them (tresses, according to definition below) is "corn-row braids":

Les tresses sont des nattes collées, plaquées sur le cuir chevelu dans la mesure où on commence une tresse avec trois brin et qu’au fur et à mesure on prend d’autres mèches suivant un tracé pré-défini
www.webzinemaker.com/admi/m4/page.php3?num_web=39979&rubr=3...

Lots of pictures at:
http://www.teachhairbraiding.com/gallery.htm

Professional Consultations for Unique Styles:
• Corn rows
• Box braids
• Micro braids
• Pixie bob
• Twist
• Weaves
• Hair extensions
• Single braids
http://www.sally-hairbraiding.com/


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Note added at 18 hrs (2006-09-21 00:42:51 GMT)
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The only braids allowed are the corn row style. Corn row braids may only be woven close to the scalp in straight rows from the forehead to the back of the neck. No designs or symbols may be woven into the hair and the corn row braids may not extend below the hairline
www.docs.state.ny.us/Directives/4914.pdf
Peer comment(s):

agree Ingeborg Gowans (X)
2 hrs
agree roneill
8 hrs
agree NancyLynn : very much in vogue in these parts, perhaps ever since Bo Derek in 10
1 day 6 hrs
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