Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
tourbillons et turbulences [laryngeal air movements in voice production]
English translation:
vortices and turbulences (note: swirls also found, possibly some technical difference?)
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Apr 9, 2005 08:06
19 yrs ago
French term
tourbillons et turbulences
French to English
Medical
Linguistics
nous avons mis en évidence des phénomènes de tourbillons et de turbulences encore mal connus à la sortie du larynx
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | vortices and turbulences |
Tony M
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| 4 +1 | swirls and turbulence |
Dr Sue Levy (X)
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vortices and turbulences
I assume this is talking about air movements associated with voice and the generation of speech.
I don't have specialist knowledge here, but as far as I am aware, the standard terms apply
cf GDT
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Note added at 51 mins (2005-04-09 08:58:37 GMT)
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I don\'t like playing the Google game, but do just note that \'vortices\' gets almost twice as many (relevant) hits as \'swirls\' in connection with larynx; in one instance, a differentiaion is even made between a swirl and a vortex, so that might be something to look into further...
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Note added at 53 mins (2005-04-09 08:59:57 GMT)
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I don\'t like playing the Google game, but do just note that \'vortices\' gets almost twice as many (relevant) hits as \'swirls\' in connection with larynx; in one instance, a differentiaion is even made between a swirl and a vortex, so that might be something to look into further...
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Note added at 57 mins (2005-04-09 09:04:25 GMT)
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Note that in English turbulence is more usually used in the singular, even to translate the French plural; however, in this particular context, I think the plural in English is not only accpetable, but probably even essential. I think they are not talking about \'turbulence in general\', but rather about specific instances of turbulence...
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Note added at 1 hr 23 mins (2005-04-09 09:30:22 GMT)
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Yes, in terms of aerodynamics, there is indeed a difference between turbulence and vortices / swirling, so the French are very justified in differentiating between them! I know from my work with (pipe) organs how important all this is in the production of sound.
What I am less clear about is exactly WHAT distinction might be made between \'swirl\' and \'vortex\' --- unless indeed one use of \'or\' in one of the Google references I found merely sought to express the two terms as equivalent alternatives.
I don't have specialist knowledge here, but as far as I am aware, the standard terms apply
cf GDT
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Note added at 51 mins (2005-04-09 08:58:37 GMT)
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I don\'t like playing the Google game, but do just note that \'vortices\' gets almost twice as many (relevant) hits as \'swirls\' in connection with larynx; in one instance, a differentiaion is even made between a swirl and a vortex, so that might be something to look into further...
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Note added at 53 mins (2005-04-09 08:59:57 GMT)
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I don\'t like playing the Google game, but do just note that \'vortices\' gets almost twice as many (relevant) hits as \'swirls\' in connection with larynx; in one instance, a differentiaion is even made between a swirl and a vortex, so that might be something to look into further...
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Note added at 57 mins (2005-04-09 09:04:25 GMT)
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Note that in English turbulence is more usually used in the singular, even to translate the French plural; however, in this particular context, I think the plural in English is not only accpetable, but probably even essential. I think they are not talking about \'turbulence in general\', but rather about specific instances of turbulence...
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Note added at 1 hr 23 mins (2005-04-09 09:30:22 GMT)
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Yes, in terms of aerodynamics, there is indeed a difference between turbulence and vortices / swirling, so the French are very justified in differentiating between them! I know from my work with (pipe) organs how important all this is in the production of sound.
What I am less clear about is exactly WHAT distinction might be made between \'swirl\' and \'vortex\' --- unless indeed one use of \'or\' in one of the Google references I found merely sought to express the two terms as equivalent alternatives.
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Comment: "Many, many thanks to both of you. It was a difficult decision to make and I would have loved to give you half each but we can't do that. Perhaps it would be an improvement to make to the system!"
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48 mins
swirls and turbulence
First thing that popped into my head, and on googling, indeed, they popped up again :-)
Type title here. - [ Traduire cette page ]
... These grooves create turbulence that swirls the air against the mucous ...
It extends between the internal nares and the entrances to the larynx and ...
members.tripod.com/~rmoskowitz/respiratory.html - 17k - En cache - Pages similaires
SAS_Physiology - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Cause turbulence, whirls and swirls in the air flow. ... Opening into the larynx.
Vocal cords surround the rim of the glottis. Eppiglottis ...
www.starsandseas.com/SAS Physiology/ Respiration/physlresp.htm - 20k - En cache - Pages similaires
Ling 001 Phonetics - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Strikingly, the lowering of the larynx, which permits a greater variety of
... The result is turbulence, a complex pattern of swirls and eddies at a ...
www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/ Spring_2001/ling001/phonetics.html - 31k - En cache - Pages similaires
Ling 001 Lecture 03a - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Strikingly, the evolutionary lowering of the larynx, which permits a ...
The result is turbulence, a complex pattern of swirls and eddies at a wide ...
www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/Spring_2003/ling001/03a.html - 53k - En cache - Pages similaires
[PDF] Physiology 601/ 801 March 23, 2004 RESISTIVE PROPERTIES OF THE ...
Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
... streamlines with resultant eddies and swirls. TURBULENT FLOW ... turbulence in
flow through the nose, the pharynx, and the larynx. ...
human.physiol.arizona.edu/ SCHED/Respiration/Morgan42/Morgan.L42.pdf
Type title here. - [ Traduire cette page ]
... These grooves create turbulence that swirls the air against the mucous ...
It extends between the internal nares and the entrances to the larynx and ...
members.tripod.com/~rmoskowitz/respiratory.html - 17k - En cache - Pages similaires
SAS_Physiology - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Cause turbulence, whirls and swirls in the air flow. ... Opening into the larynx.
Vocal cords surround the rim of the glottis. Eppiglottis ...
www.starsandseas.com/SAS Physiology/ Respiration/physlresp.htm - 20k - En cache - Pages similaires
Ling 001 Phonetics - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Strikingly, the lowering of the larynx, which permits a greater variety of
... The result is turbulence, a complex pattern of swirls and eddies at a ...
www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/ Spring_2001/ling001/phonetics.html - 31k - En cache - Pages similaires
Ling 001 Lecture 03a - [ Traduire cette page ]
... Strikingly, the evolutionary lowering of the larynx, which permits a ...
The result is turbulence, a complex pattern of swirls and eddies at a wide ...
www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/Spring_2003/ling001/03a.html - 53k - En cache - Pages similaires
[PDF] Physiology 601/ 801 March 23, 2004 RESISTIVE PROPERTIES OF THE ...
Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Version HTML
... streamlines with resultant eddies and swirls. TURBULENT FLOW ... turbulence in
flow through the nose, the pharynx, and the larynx. ...
human.physiol.arizona.edu/ SCHED/Respiration/Morgan42/Morgan.L42.pdf
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tony M
: I was surprised to see from these and other refs. that this term is indeed used (I thought it sounded too informal) --- but just watch out for that caveat, mentioned in my own answer... /// Please see note added to my answer...
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Yes - in fact, in English, turbulence seems to be a general term for the air flow patterns. The French apparently distinguish between tourbillons and turbulences.
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