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Sep 17, 2022 14:39
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French term

Centre de référence constitutif

French to English Medical Medical (general) Email
Hi,
I need to translate a hospital name directly into English for an agency translation and am stumped by "constitutif"
"Centre de référence constitutif Adulte Hôpital Foch"
Thanks
Proposed translations (English)
4 " Constitutive reference center for adults at the Foch Hospital "
3 Constitutive Reference Centre
2 Constituent Unit Referral Center / Centre

Discussion

Sue Davis Sep 18, 2022:
Constitutive also seems to be widely used see:
https://mathec.com/en/about-mathec/governance/
https://splf.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Impact-of-the-COV...$
https://mhemo.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Mhemo_posterCong...
https://www.orpha.net/consor/cgi-bin/Clinics_Search.php?lng=...
https://maladiesrares-necker.aphp.fr/eds/
https://muco-cftr.fr/index.php/en/19-english/the-cystic-fibr...

etc
Sue Davis Sep 18, 2022:
It is not a great translation! but it appears to be one that the hospital uses
Emmanuella Sep 18, 2022:
I agree as regards the poor translation . As I mentioned, it will be hard to find the right term.
philgoddard Sep 18, 2022:
Emmanuella Your reference is a poor translation. And "centre of excellence" has a specific meaning in healthcare which I believe may be appropriate here.
Emmanuella Sep 18, 2022:
https://maladiesrares-necker.aphp.fr/rare-epilepsies/
Emmanuella Sep 18, 2022:
Un 'Centre de référence' n'est pas un 'Centre d'excellence'.
'Constitutif' - ph-b a donné la bonne définition, difficile à trouver en anglais, comme Phil l'a indiqué.
philgoddard Sep 18, 2022:
I think "centre de référence'" is a centre of excellence, but I don't think "constitutive" conveys any clear meaning in English.
joanna menda (asker) Sep 17, 2022:
Thanks Phil!
Sue Davis Sep 17, 2022:
thanks Phil I think you are right
ph-b (X) Sep 17, 2022:
centre de référence constitutif It means it is part of (il est constitutif de) a network, managed by a centre coordonnateur. La présente procédure vise à actualiser la liste de ces CRMR et à reconnaitre leurs sites de centres coordonnateurs et leurs sites de centres constitutifs. Ainsi, un CRMR est ici défini comme un ensemble organisé en réseau, comprenant un centre de référence coordonnateur, un ou plusieurs centres de référence(s)
constitutif(s) le cas échéant, et un ou plusieurs CCMR. (http://fr.ap-hm.fr/sites/default/files/files/maladies-rares/...

See also sentence in bold at the bottom of the page here: http://www.pemr-bfc.fr/les-maladies-rares/quest-ce-quun-cent...

Proposed translations

34 mins

Constitutive Reference Centre

https://www.esnr.org/en/calendar/17-10-2022-def-disease-educ...
We will be pleased to welcome all of you for these two working days in October 2022, organized in the Department of Diagnostic and Therapeutic Neuroradiology of Hôpital FOCH, labelled by the French Ministry of Health as “Constitutive Reference Center for Rare Diseases”, for central nervous system vascular malformations, in collaboration with the departments of Neuroradiology of Nancy and Karolinska University Hospital.

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Note added at 34 mins (2022-09-17 15:14:05 GMT)
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I think it refers to constitutional diseases

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Note added at 35 mins (2022-09-17 15:14:58 GMT)
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https://www.orpha.net/consor/cgi-bin/Clinics_Search.php?lng=...

Reference centre for constitutional bone diseases (MOC) - Constitutive site
Note from asker:
Hi Sue, thanks for this. The disease is cystic fibrosis.
Peer comment(s):
neutral ph-b (X) : Your translation may be correct, but not your explanation re: constitutional diseases. See discussion.
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" Constitutive reference center for adults at the Foch Hospital "


The Fotch hospital is located in the heart of the Hauts-de-Seine area, the most populous department in the Parisian suburbs. It's the reference center for the local population.
The Constitutive reference center for adults may refer to the reference center for adults within the hospital.
Reference:

https://myfrenchhospital.com/etablissements/hopital-foch/

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Constituent Unit Referral Center / Centre

> as per ph-b's discussion entry on 'constitutif' as a networked member.

Constituent in the sense of a constituent member or part, like a member-college of a University (e.g. King's College Hospital as part of London Uni.), rather than a member of a political constituency.
Example sentence:

IATE: fr centre de références COM en referral center

Central Referral Hospital (A Constituent Unit Of Sikkim Manipal University)

Reference:

http://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/15904423-centre-de-référence-specialist-centre

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/medical-general/2707777-centre-de-référence-labellisé.html

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