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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

axe de barre

English translation:

steering wheel shaft

Added to glossary by Miranda Joubioux (X)
Oct 13, 2008 13:35
15 yrs ago
French term

axe de barre

French to English Tech/Engineering Ships, Sailing, Maritime
J’ai aussi cassé ma bôme, mon axe de barre… Mais le plus dramatique, c’était bien sûr la panne de moteur qui est arrivée juste avant l’entrée dans l’Atlantique Sud.

There's a great image here
http://jabaraud.free.fr/projet/app_gouv/axe_barre.htm

Would I be right in calling this the steering wheel pin, or is it an axle?
Proposed translations (English)
2 +3 steering wheel shaft
4 helm shaft
References
examples

Discussion

Jack Dunwell Oct 13, 2008:
Teleflex Jamestowndistributors.com mention a teleflex "Helm Shaft"
Michael GREEN Oct 13, 2008:
Possible source I have found a company in the UK specialising in repairs to yacht steering systems : the web site isn't very detailed so I phoned them : no luck, the man was out ... but tomorrow if you are still in doubt about the term you may like to contact him directly :
http://www.simsmarine.co.uk/steering.htm
Michael GREEN Oct 13, 2008:
Thank you for the info ! I don't know why my question was displayed twice (I'm getting old and senile, but not THAT senile!).
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Oct 13, 2008:
Can't find any conclusive examples Shaft may well be right, but I don't seem to be able to find any examples with Google.
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Oct 13, 2008:
Just to make sure everyone is informed. This boat has a "barre à roue" - steering wheel.
Michael GREEN Oct 13, 2008:
Shaft or what? I just spoke to a friend of mine, an old sea-dog who is currently refurbishing a yacht he acquired earlier this year. He felt that "shaft" was as good a term as any, though now I've seen Miranda's posting about "axle" I'm in two minds about it. "Axle" and "shaft" are equivalents, of course.
Agree with you Miranda : the only Google hits I saw for "steering wheel shaft" are for motor vehicles. But lack of a Ghit doesn't necessarily mean the term isn't used ...
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Oct 13, 2008:
He managed to finish the race and in a decent position to boot!
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Oct 13, 2008:
axle? Just found this interesting text on offshore sailing.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lI71GXRPELsC&pg=PA174&lpg...
Michael GREEN Oct 13, 2008:
So the poor man lost his steering, boom, and engine ... ! May we know what happened next ??!

Proposed translations

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steering wheel shaft

I think we'd call this a shaft, wouldn't we?

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-10-13 14:41:21 GMT)
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I don't think I'd usually call the 'column' a 'shaft'; even in EN don't we refer to it as a 'steering column' (cf cars!)?

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-10-13 15:13:10 GMT)
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I found nearly 800 Ghits relating 'steering wheel shaft' + helm, mainly seem to be from patents; whereas the same search using 'axle' only returned a measly 6 ghits.

Here's one that seems relatively clear cut:

(WO/1992/004222) TILTABLE MARINE STEERING HELM

(EN) A tiltable marine steering helm assembly (1) which includes a steering- wheel shaft (5) mounted in a universal joint (4) permitting the steering wheel ...

www.wipo.org/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=1992004222
Note from asker:
Wouldn't that be the column and in "colonne de barre"?
Peer comment(s):
agree Bashiqa : I'm not a sailor but shaft would be ok for me.
10 mins
Thanks! Something on which it turns, but doesn't rotate...
disagree Fabio Barbieri : I see no mention of a steering wheel. I suspect this is the bar that regulates the rudder.
37 mins
If you look at the pic Miranda cites, it's clear; the 'shaft' of the rudder has a special name in both FR and EN, as does the 'bar' that regulates the rudder (= tiller). Perhaps your 'disagree' was a little hasty?
agree Michael GREEN : Seems ok to me Tony ! Though I'm inclined to think that if Miranda doesn't know the answer, it might be more complicated than this ... ;)) And "barre" in this case does indeed mean steering wheel (or helm ...)
1 hr
Thanks, Michael!
agree Bourth (X) : Though I shall mind what I say.
1 hr
Thanks, Alex! I think you'd better...
agree Graham macLachlan
19 hrs
Thanks, Graham!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Tony "
3 hrs

helm shaft

Steering wheel for power-boats? This is a sailboat, isn't it?
Note from asker:
It's an Open 60 with (if I remember correctly) a twin wheel steering system.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

examples

Antiques "ships wheel" Nautical antiques,American late 19th century ships wheel made from teak. Measures 58 inches across. Solid brass center measures 9 inches across. Takes a 1 inch SHAFT.
http://archives.maritime.oneofakindantiques.com/1010_antique...

I've just built a 95cm diameter ships wheel. Rim was laminated from 1mm oak veneer in 2m long strips, 2 inches wide to a thickness of approx 38mm - 1 1/2 inches. 2 inch height then planed down to match laminated thickness. Outer corners were rounded off using a 19mm radius router cutter.
Hub turned from a piece of elm, 8 sockets bored for spoke inboard ends and brass bush sits in centre to take SHAFT TO STEERING PUMP.
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1152

Traditional ships wheel constructed in acacia timber. Laminated and dowel construction for long life and strength. 6 turned spokes.
Finished in a durable high gloss lacquer.
Centre hub is solid brass with a taper and keyway to fit the STEERING SHAFT.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Boats-marine/Parts-...

Ships Wheel Plans Designs / Plans. ... Hub will be 200 mm diameter elm with a steel/bronze insert for the STEERING PUMP SHAFT. ...
www.woodenboat.com/forum//archive/index.php/t-11043.html
Note from asker:
Thanks Alex for those great references. As Michael says, that clinches it.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Michael GREEN : I think that clinches it ... (I hesitated before posting this because my comments above have been posted twice ... so far. Wonder how many times this will appear...).
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