Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
spring and summer
English answer:
her spring and summer nesting site
Added to glossary by
Yvonne Gallagher
Oct 13, 2014 01:08
9 yrs ago
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English term
spring and summer
English
Art/Literary
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
So, I'm translating this text. Here it is, already translated into English:
The satellites tell us that the day before yesterday—February, 20th 2001—the beautiful nomad Salam took flight from her winter holdout in the Ethiopian highlands. She’s flying back over the Arabian Peninsula to return to her spring and summer nest of Palmyra in the middle of the Syrian desert.
I'm having an issue with "spring and summer." It just sounds off to me for some reason. What if I wanted to say something else...? Warm weather nest?
The satellites tell us that the day before yesterday—February, 20th 2001—the beautiful nomad Salam took flight from her winter holdout in the Ethiopian highlands. She’s flying back over the Arabian Peninsula to return to her spring and summer nest of Palmyra in the middle of the Syrian desert.
I'm having an issue with "spring and summer." It just sounds off to me for some reason. What if I wanted to say something else...? Warm weather nest?
Change log
Oct 13, 2014 02:42: writeaway changed "Field" from "Other" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (specific)" from "Government / Politics" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"
Oct 27, 2014 11:31: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
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Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
Native in: English (Variants: US, Canadian, Irish, UK) 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
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her spring and summer nesting site
is how I'd leave it. Nothing wrong with it at ll and I certainly wouldn't drop "spring".
Not sure about your "nomad" for a bird. Surely it should be "migratory bird" or "migrant"?
Poor bird heading for Syria these days...
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typo 1st line (at) All
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her spring and summer nesting site AT Palmyra in the middle of the Syrian desert
What hope for Palmyra these days? This report was in April. I assume the situation is even worse now...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/middleeast/syrian-wa...
Not sure about your "nomad" for a bird. Surely it should be "migratory bird" or "migrant"?
Poor bird heading for Syria these days...
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typo 1st line (at) All
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her spring and summer nesting site AT Palmyra in the middle of the Syrian desert
What hope for Palmyra these days? This report was in April. I assume the situation is even worse now...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/middleeast/syrian-wa...
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Trudy Peters
: agree with everything you say - except it should be at all// Don't like nomad, either
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Thanks Trudy:-) and yes, I'd spotted the typo...
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Björn Vrooman
: Maybe it sounded "off" to her for another reason? My issue is with "nest of Palmyra". That's certainly the wrong preposition./To your "poor bird" (see section Northern Bald Ibis): http://www.iagnbi.org/en/news/
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Thanks! Yes, poor birds, animals, people...
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AllegroTrans
: definietly some issues with the English but that's another story for the asker to look at
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many thanks C.:-)
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Danik 2014
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, Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
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her refuge/shelter for the warm seasons
Sugestion.
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Jean-Claude Gouin
: I like this suggestion as much as I like 'spring and summer' ...
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Thanks, 1045!
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writeaway
: the original English is fine and perfectly clear. The style is lovely and coherent and it flows well. As we say, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. /imo that needs to be explained to Asker.
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I think the original is ok! I`m just sugesting an alternative.
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Thayenga
: With writeaway. :)
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See discussion entry!
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AllegroTrans
: original is perfectly clear
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Sheila Wilson
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summer
I agree with others that it really doesn't need rephrasing. But is the mention of spring really necessary? Autumn (fall, if you prefer) doesn't figure, so why spring?
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My research is showing many informed references to winter and summer habitats, with spring normally only quoted in terms of departure, migration, etc. If you look for texts on migratory birds together with "spring nest", you'll find that the majority use nest as a verb. When looking for "spring and summer nest", most of the references are referring to nest-building.
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/studying/migratio...
The migration of geese is an example of the annual, large-scale movement of birds between their breeding (summer) homes and their nonbreeding (winter) grounds.
http://www.backyardnature.net/birdmgrt.htm
Summer residents are migratory birds such as Purple Martins who arrive in our Northern backyards in the spring, nest during the summer, and return south to wintering grounds in the fall.
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My research is showing many informed references to winter and summer habitats, with spring normally only quoted in terms of departure, migration, etc. If you look for texts on migratory birds together with "spring nest", you'll find that the majority use nest as a verb. When looking for "spring and summer nest", most of the references are referring to nest-building.
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/studying/migratio...
The migration of geese is an example of the annual, large-scale movement of birds between their breeding (summer) homes and their nonbreeding (winter) grounds.
http://www.backyardnature.net/birdmgrt.htm
Summer residents are migratory birds such as Purple Martins who arrive in our Northern backyards in the spring, nest during the summer, and return south to wintering grounds in the fall.
Peer comment(s):
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Armorel Young
: I assume that this is about satellite tagging of migrating birds (might have helped if the asker had made this clear) and birds nest in spring, so the info isn't entirely useless.
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Yes, I quite agree that the specific context might require both to be stated. I was just going with what we've got.
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writeaway
: don't understand your reasoning at all. As a proofreader/editor, I'd never make such a suggestion.
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I probably wouldn't either, writeaway, though I prefer never to say never. The Asker is in the best position to judge if it's appropriate in the context.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: certainly wouldn't drop "spring"
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For the reasons explained in my notes above
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AllegroTrans
: why on earth drop "spring"??
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For the reasons explained in my notes above
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Discussion
I understand that your objection is not directed against my (or any other specific solution), but to the suggestion at all of a solution different from the original one. I just presented an alternative as did another peer.
Therefore, and as it certainly involves a matter of style, I´m redirecting the discussion where it belongs to: the discussion section.