French term
United Kingdom
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Native in: English 
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je vous tiendrai dès demain la facture
I have come across the following term in an email between a client and a lawyer's firm in Africa.
je vous tiendrai dès demain la facture après sa certification
I've been a little thrown by sa certification at the end here.
Could this read as " I will hold the invoice for you from tomorrow after it has been validated/certified"
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.
Aug 5, 2020 10:21: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Bus/Financial"
Non-PRO (2): Rachel Fell, Yvonne Gallagher
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Proposed translations
I'll have the invoice ready for you tomorrow
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Yvonne Gallagher
: [...] Not exactly difficult! It's in the ST// As I said "from" isn't absolutely essential IF entire phrase is correct but yours isn't!//Yet another snarky comment!!
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Oops. I missed that. As for "dès", it simply doesn't need to be translated here but without seeing your suggestion, it's hard to say more. As for my "snarky" comment, it was against your nonchalant and clearly wrong idea about (dès)
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Kathleen Johnson
: Thanks, SafeTex. No need to delete your entry.
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What can I say? You weren't going to disagree with your own suggestion after all :) unless to spite me for taking it, albeit by accident.
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Taylor Keenan
1 day 6 hrs
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Thanks Taylor Keenan
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AllegroTrans
: +when it has been passed; agree that translating "dès" in THESE circumstances is not necessary. Tomorrow is tomorrow.
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Thanks: or "after it's been checked" maybe
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Cyril Tollari
: I can't even comment on the ST meaning here. Another option may well be 'hand it over to you'. Who knows? But not translating dès is good. I agree with this.
5 days
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Thanks Cyril and especially on not translating "dès"
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United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
I'll hold the invoice for you as soon as to-morrow
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Yvonne Gallagher
: your take is not idiomatic English?/1."hold" 2. "as soon as" and 3. "to-morrow"
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what's the problem?
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AllegroTrans
: "as soon as to-morrow" is not idiomatic English and tomorrow has no hyphen
1 day 15 hrs
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Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
I will let you have the bill / fee note / as early as tomorrow
'... an email between a client and a lawyer's firm...' - whose is the facture? If the lawyer's it is called an invoice, bill /of costs/ or - nowadays - fee note that, coincidentally in many UK firms, needs to be 'passed' so approved by the Costs Department.
FB is the only so far who has dealt at all with the 'dès demain' construction and Ph-B's discussion entry of "I'll have the invoice sent to you..." tying up with the way I usually translate/d this turn of phrase.
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... is the only one so far ...
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ph-b (X)
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Merci and thanks for your discussion entry on the colloquial use of tenir - that is already borne out by the KudoZ glossary entry..
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worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
I'll have the invoice ready for you as from tomorrow as soon as it's been cleared
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dès = as from
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AllegroTrans
: right idea but too clonky; could be better rendered in fewer words
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I agree AT but we can't just leave it as "tomorrow"
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I will/shall give you the invoice tomorrow
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I will/shall make your invoice available starting from tomorrow.
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philgoddard
: Probably send rather than give.
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I will/shall make your invoice availbale starting from tomorrow
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Yvonne Gallagher
: Yes to I'll make your invoice available from tomorrow
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Cyril Tollari
: I agree with not translating dès. Not 100% sure for tiendrai. Another possibility
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Tanzania
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Native in: French (Variants: Canadian, Swiss, Moroccan, Belgian, Cameroon, Standard-France, African, Luxembourgish)
Works in: English to French, French to English, French, and 1 more.
I will give you the invoice tomorrow after it's certified.
Either we are missing a few words here or "tiendrai" was meant to be "donnerai"
Option 1 : if we have words missing, we would be looking at:
"Je vous tiendrai au courant dès demain de la facture après sa certification"
Which would translate to :"I will keep you informed tomorrow of the invoice after its certification"
Option 2 : If the word "tiendrai" was wrongly chosen:
"Je vous donnerai dès demain la facture après sa certification"
Which would translate to :"I will give you the invoice tomorrow after it's certified."
Best way to choose between the two would be to see further in the email conversation if the invoice was in fact to be given on hand (Option two here), or the amount due was to be announced (Option one here).
Hope this helps.
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Cyril Tollari
: I agree with not translating dès. Not 100% sure for tiendrai. Another possibility
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Yvonne Gallagher
: not "give"
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Discussion
in answer to your last comment, a simple"from" and "after validation/clearance". It's not exactly difficult! ("as from" far too American for me). It's in the ST so should be included
Dès (from) is used for states rather than actions (at least with the simple future)
So it's not nearly as easy as you make out. Compare for instance
I'll be in Rome tomorrow
I'll be in Rome from tomorrow
and so do you really need "from" with what we have?
I'll have the invoice ready for you tomorrow
I'll have the invoice ready for you from tomorrow
Is the second even grammatical in everyone's English?
So are you so sure that "it's not exactly difficult!"
Someone pointed out that I posted a suggestion you had already posted in the discussion. I really didn't notice this. It's my bad. Do you want me to withdraw my suggestion so that you can post it instead?