Oct 3, 2021 07:39
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French term

résultat analytique

French to English Bus/Financial Accounting Management Accounts
In a set of Management Accounts.
This appears to be Gross Margin?

Discussion

Jack Dunwell (asker) Oct 4, 2021:
Thank you very much, all, for yr invaluable hellp
Francois Boye Oct 4, 2021:
@ McAuley:

It is the breakdown of profit that allows management to change its decisions and control its organization.
Francois Boye Oct 4, 2021:
@ Jack Dunwell:

In the attachment I sent you, it is said that:

The key components involved in profit analysis include:

Selling price per unit

Level or volume of activity

Total fixed costs

Per unit variable cost

Sales mix
Conor McAuley Oct 4, 2021:
Since management accounts are an in-house thing, I'm sure it's a bit anything goes, a company extracts the key figures that are important to it.

The text says "résultat", not "résultat comptable", so to translate "résultat comptable" is over-interpreting, needlessly -- the "type" of profit it is will (should) be obvious from the context in the source text.
Francois Boye Oct 3, 2021:
@ Steve Robbie

you have missed completely the meaning of the following:

'le résultat analytique global de l’entreprise (qui est égal au résultat comptable) peut se décomposer en plusieurs résultats analytiques. Ceux-ci permettent d’étudier la performance de plusieurs unités, biens ou services de l’entreprise'
mchd Oct 3, 2021:
Jack Dunwell (asker) Oct 3, 2021:
Steve I agree.
Steve Robbie Oct 3, 2021:
The link didn't work, so here it is again https://valoxy.org/blog/resultat-analytic-03032015avallaudu/

To me, the gist of what the Valoxy website says is that the Résultat Analytique is the profit figure used in the management accounts. The starting point is the profit as shown in the financial statements (it doesn't specify which figure), but for management purposes you can break that figure down, e.g. on a product-by-product basis, using e.g. the full costing method. But there are no hard and fast rules about what you do or how you do it.

So "RA" simply means profit as reported in the management accounts. There is no more precise meaning than that.
You may be able to come up with a more precise translation in a given context.
Jack Dunwell (asker) Oct 3, 2021:
"Le résultat analytique correspond à la différence entre le produit des ventes de biens et services, et leur coût de revient. Bien souvent, le résultat analytique global de l'entreprise (qui est égal au résultat comptable) peut se décomposer en plusieurs résultats analytiques.3 mars 2015" .
So this has to be read carefully. It's not too well written.They don't actually mean gross margin, but after allocation of overheads.And of course it would be a complete waste of time if there was just ONE end product, that would be no analysis at all!!

Le résultat analytique - Valoxyhttps://valoxy.org › ... › Bilan et Compte de Résultat

mchd Oct 3, 2021:
Autre définition de la comptabilité analytique https://www.legalplace.fr/guides/comptabilite-analytique/


Quelle est la différence entre la comptabilité générale et la comptabilité analytique ?

La comptabilité générale répond à une obligation légale des entreprises, elle se base sur le Plan Comptable Général pour l’enregistrement des flux. À l’inverse, la tenue d’une comptabilité analytique repose sur la seule décision de la société. Elle nécessite le recours à un plan comptable spécifique.
Steve Robbie Oct 3, 2021:
@Jack Yes, whatever you want to call it. I see you're an ex-ACA, like me, so you're well placed to choose whatever best fits.
I don't think the term has any more precise meaning in the profession - it just means the in-house profit metric.
Jack Dunwell (asker) Oct 3, 2021:
Thank you S. Actually I think this operates at margin level rather than net Steve. Yes, clearly it is in Management Accounts rather than Financial Accounts. Having spent years knocking out Management Accounts I haven't come across a line "management accounts net profit". Rather "Net Profit" (within Management Accounts). Can you agree ?
mchd Oct 3, 2021:
voir : résultats de la COMPTABILITE ANALYTIQUE
https://www.compta-facile.com/comptabilite-analytique-defini...
Steve Robbie Oct 3, 2021:
Hard to say without more detail It's quite likely that it's the "management accounts profit" (i.e. the profit figure at the bottom of the compte de résultat analytique >>> management P&L account) as opposed to the profit figure disclosed in the financial statements.

If that's not what it is, please tell us where this item appears in the P&L account, i.e. what items come before it and what come after it. Otherwise all we can do is guess.

Proposed translations

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profit according to management accounts

Without more context.
Note from asker:
Hi Connor. Yes. I guess Management Accounts net Profit (which should agree with the Financial Accounts). Many thanks C
Peer comment(s):

agree Steve Robbie : ... in order to move this answer up the list
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Thanks Steve!
neutral Francois Boye : This is based on Robbie's false interpretation of 'résultat analytique'
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It is mainly based on previous experience and on research conducted by me.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thaznk you Conor!!"
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marginal costing profit or loss

Perhaps we ought to be taking the costing route, pronounced rowt in AmE, and whether group / consolidated or subsid. level.

Résultats analytiques > Analysis of costing profits and losses, entry 98, Chart of Accounts from the Plan Comptable Général, C.T. Percival, ACA
Example sentence:

The disagreement between the costing and financial profit is caused by the following: Items Shown Only in Financial Accounts: Items Shown Only in Cost Accounts: Over or Under-absorption of Overheads: Different Bases of Stock Valuation: Different Methods

Marginal costing The marginal cost of an item is its variable cost.

Note from asker:
Hi Adrian. Thank you. Very kind. I am stupefied that the Plan Comptable Général includes this section 980-989"selon les besoins de l'entreprise". It's almost anarchical ! A sort of Friday afternoon, feet on the desk approach!
Peer comment(s):

neutral mchd : il ne s'agit pas d'un poste du plan comptable général. Cf. discussion
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profit analysis

In English, they say analysis instead of 'analytical.' Why? Because the purpose is to analyze an accounting bottom line. Analyzing a bottom-line is to break-it down

n managerial economics, profit analysis is a form of cost accounting used for elementary instruction and short run decisions. A profit analysis widens the use of info provided by breakeven analysis. An important part of profit analysis is the point where total revenues and total costs are equal. At this breakeven point, the company does not experience any income or any loss.

Source: https://www.readyratios.com/reference/profitability/profit_a...

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Note added at 1 day 6 hrs (2021-10-04 14:26:47 GMT)
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The key components involved in profit analysis include:

Selling price per unit

Level or volume of activity

Total fixed costs

Per unit variable cost

Sales mix
Note from asker:
I 'm not sure that this reference is very useful François. But thank you so much.
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