Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
en su tercero o por suerte
English translation:
with a third arbitrator acting as an umpire or one nominated by drawing lots
Added to glossary by
Adrian MM.
Oct 19, 2021 08:15
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Spanish term
Spain
Reliable and fast
Native in: Galician 
, Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Portuguese to Spanish, and 9 more.
en su tercero o por suerte
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Estatutos
Buenos días:
estoy traduciendo unos estatutos y, entre las facultades del consejo de administración, están las "judiciales o notariales", y bajo este epígrafe aparece este texto:
Otorgar, sustituir, y revocar poderes generales y especiales para pleitos a favor de Procuradores de los tribunales y letrados, con facultad de allanarse y desistir; suspender, transigir, comprometerse en arbitrios de derecho de equidad, ******o en su tercero o por suerte*****, los mismos procedimientos.
¿"por suerte" podría ser "por sorteo"? ¿Y lo de "terceros", podría referirse a un tercer árbitro?
Gracias de antemano por vuestra ayuda.
estoy traduciendo unos estatutos y, entre las facultades del consejo de administración, están las "judiciales o notariales", y bajo este epígrafe aparece este texto:
Otorgar, sustituir, y revocar poderes generales y especiales para pleitos a favor de Procuradores de los tribunales y letrados, con facultad de allanarse y desistir; suspender, transigir, comprometerse en arbitrios de derecho de equidad, ******o en su tercero o por suerte*****, los mismos procedimientos.
¿"por suerte" podría ser "por sorteo"? ¿Y lo de "terceros", podría referirse a un tercer árbitro?
Gracias de antemano por vuestra ayuda.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | with /a third arbitrator made/ umpire or one nominated by drawing lots |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 | to commit tothird party arbitration or leave to chance |
Andrew Bramhall
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References
| prior query |
Paul Ryan
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| Refs. - selected by lot |
Taña Dalglish
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Change log
Mar 4, 2022 10:26: Adrian MM. Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
586
Selected
with /a third arbitrator made/ umpire or one nominated by drawing lots
Below is a link that ought to work...
'..podría referirse a un tercer árbitro?' Yes, I think so.
The second link seems to imply that the arbitration decision can be reached by 'drawing lots', so I'm sticking to the ProZ French answer of the arbitrator being chosen by such method.
> en arbitrios de derecho *y/o* de equidad : artibtration hearings held in strict accordance with the law *and/or* ex aequo et bono rather than equity with a small 'e' meaning fairness vs. Equity in English law with a caital 'E' as a distinct body of law.
tercero dirimente - umpire + en discordia - umpire, West explaining both: 'an impartial third arbitrator who decides when the other arbitartors have been unable to agree'.
Indeed, suerte as a variation on sorteo.
'..podría referirse a un tercer árbitro?' Yes, I think so.
The second link seems to imply that the arbitration decision can be reached by 'drawing lots', so I'm sticking to the ProZ French answer of the arbitrator being chosen by such method.
> en arbitrios de derecho *y/o* de equidad : artibtration hearings held in strict accordance with the law *and/or* ex aequo et bono rather than equity with a small 'e' meaning fairness vs. Equity in English law with a caital 'E' as a distinct body of law.
tercero dirimente - umpire + en discordia - umpire, West explaining both: 'an impartial third arbitrator who decides when the other arbitartors have been unable to agree'.
Indeed, suerte as a variation on sorteo.
Example sentence:
the two arbitrators fail to agree upon the appointment of an umpire, each of them shall nominate three individuals to serve as umpire, of whom the other shall decline two and the umpire shall be chosen from the remaining two by drawing lots.
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
AllegroTrans
: exactly right idea but I would avoid "made"
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Thanks, Chris.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
3 hrs
Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Flair and accuracy tailored to your text
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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97
to commit tothird party arbitration or leave to chance
To grant, substitute, and revoke general and special powers of attorney for lawsuits in favour of court attorneys and attorneys at law, with the power to accept and withdraw; to suspend, compromise, commit to equity arbitration , or to commit to third party arbitration or by leaving the same proceedings to chance.
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" to third party arbitration", sorry for spacing error;
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Note added at 3 hrs (2021-10-19 11:33:57 GMT)
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" to third party arbitration", sorry for spacing error;
Reference comments
1 hr
Reference:
prior query
this is a response to the same issue
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| neutral |
Andrew Bramhall
: Your link won't open due to the double http at the beginning;
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Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Specializes in field
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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735
Reference:
Refs. - selected by lot
por suerte | selected by lot
Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons
Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons · 1859
... and well - beloved the Commissioners named in the Mixed Commission established at Cape Town , Cape of Good Hope , and the ***Arbitrator elected by lot.***
https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=9KtbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&lp...
CBD CONVENTION ON BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY https://www.cbd.int/doc/meetings/bs/bswg-06/information/bswg...
The Parties in dispute shall endeavor to agree on the appointment of the chairman of the
panel within 15 days after delivery of the request for establishing the panel. Should the
Parties in dispute fail to reach an agreement within this period, one of them, ***selected by lot,**
shall, within 5 days, appoint an individual who is not a national of the appointing Party, to be
the chairman;
1866.] International Arbitration. 473 - JSTOR https://www.jstor.org/stable/25107921?seq=1#metadata_info_ta...
state, and an umpire **selected by lot** or agreement, or, in later ... and its rights on all future occasions to the decision of any third party,.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=arbitration "selected by lot... (over 1M hits for "selected by lot").
Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons
Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons · 1859
... and well - beloved the Commissioners named in the Mixed Commission established at Cape Town , Cape of Good Hope , and the ***Arbitrator elected by lot.***
https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=9KtbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&lp...
CBD CONVENTION ON BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY https://www.cbd.int/doc/meetings/bs/bswg-06/information/bswg...
The Parties in dispute shall endeavor to agree on the appointment of the chairman of the
panel within 15 days after delivery of the request for establishing the panel. Should the
Parties in dispute fail to reach an agreement within this period, one of them, ***selected by lot,**
shall, within 5 days, appoint an individual who is not a national of the appointing Party, to be
the chairman;
1866.] International Arbitration. 473 - JSTOR https://www.jstor.org/stable/25107921?seq=1#metadata_info_ta...
state, and an umpire **selected by lot** or agreement, or, in later ... and its rights on all future occasions to the decision of any third party,.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=arbitration "selected by lot... (over 1M hits for "selected by lot").
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
AllegroTrans
: "by drawing lots" is the usual term
6 hrs
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Thanks, but respectfully and even the UK source (1st one and the most important), and my own preference is "selected by lot".; over 1m hits when "selected by lot", another which I will post!
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